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Not so ideal protein

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A couple of twitter peeps recently told me about the Ideal Protein weight loss program. Obviously without signing-up I can’t learn all of the secrets but their website, and my friends revealed a fair bit about the program.

Initially they come across as relatively reasonable; focussing on how to maintain weight loss, not just on how to lose weight. However, when you look at what their program entails I’m not sure how it can emphasis weight maintenance when it’s based on no-low carb and purchase of their products. From what I hear, it’s also quite low-calorie. None of those things amount to sustainability which, as I’ve said many times before, if you want to see sustainable weight loss you have to make sustainable changes. Is cutting all carbs sustainable? Nope. Apparently you only have to do that for the initial phase of the diet. This will allow you to show great progress in the beginning as you lose water weight. Not true weight loss. Okay, what about the low-calorie diet? Sure, some people can happily survive on 1, 100 calories a day, I don’t know any of those people but I’m sure they exist. If you’re one of them, chances are you’re not seeking out a weight loss program anyway. That brings me to the final issue: their products.

Yes, consuming protein can increase satiety and is advisable for weight loss. No, you don’t need special processed foods formulated by Ideal Protein. In my experience the majority of protein bars, chips, whatever, are pretty disgusting. Sure, some are palatable and can work in a pinch but for the most part they’re an unnecessary expense and not usually all that healthy. They tend to be highly processed foods (just check out the “dill pickle zippers”) providing you with little nutrition other than protein. Just because a chip or a candy bar has protein added to it doesn’t mean it’s suddenly a health food. There are plenty of affordable sources of protein available at the grocery store which will also provide you with additional nutrients. Try hummus with veggies or whole grain crackers, a handful of nuts or seeds, roasted chickpeas or edamame, plain greek yoghurt with berries, an apple with peanut butter, hard-boiled eggs, tuna and flatbread, I could go on and on. It is possible to eat real food and lose weight. Don’t succumb to the allure of a company that would have you believe that you need to buy their foods to lose weight.

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Author: Diana

I'm a registered dietitian from Nova Scotia, living and working in Ontario, Canada. My goal is to help people relearn how to have a healthy relationship with food.

404 thoughts on “Not so ideal protein

  1. Just want to say, that Ideal Protein does work. The purpose is to create an unbalanced diet to lose weight while taking supplements, so your body is getting all the essential nutrition it needs. The purpose of the low calorie is so you go into ketosis and use fat as the fuel source so even though you are not physically eating many calories, your body is using the excess fat as fuel and burns that for energy and keeps muscle tone. You do actually get carbs in through the large amount of vegetables you eat on the diet and through the packaged foods (which are admittedly not the best since yes, they are processed) There are different phases in the diet so carbs, like whole grains and fruit, are reintroduced into the diet, so your body can learn how to utilize them correctly. This diet works great for anyone who has metabolic x syndrome and is insulin resistant; it is a pancreas resting diet so it helps get insulin levels back to normal range. Just sharing more info.

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    • Thanks for your comment. Yes, you will lose weight on any restrictive diet (if you’re able to stick with it). But what do you do when the diet’s over? This is my issue with all diets; they have an end date. Far better to make sustainable changes.

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      • I agree with you Diana. You can also lose weight using chemotherapy. It doesn’t mean its good for you. IP is profitable and sustainable for whoever is selling the products.

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      • Thank you Trevor!

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      • @Trevor Wardrop
        “I agree with you Diana. You can also lose weight using chemotherapy. It doesn’t mean its good for you. IP is profitable and sustainable for whoever is selling the products.”

        This comment is just the pinnacle of ignorance. IP is a 100% healthy program that features all non GMO products, organic whey proteins from grass fed cows and 100% mold/fungus free soy proteins. All the IP foods contain 8 essential amino acids to form a complete protein for maximum assimilation. The Ideal Protein foods are top of the line products and are a revolutionary innovation in the health food industry.
        The IP system is more sustainable than any other program out there. The end result of this program is a person:
        A) who understands how simple carbs affect insulin to create body fat.
        B) who knows their own BMR for calorie regulation.
        C) who has a 7 day system of nutrition (no IP foods) designed to allow indulgences but maintains a low blood sugar/low insulin state to minimize weight gain.
        D ) who knows how to easily knock of a few pounds of weight gain when the need arises (and it will as weight gain is natural).

        Ideal Protein is a superior medical weight loss protocol for anybody who is serious about getting healthy.

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      • If you knew what you were talking about,it would be nice. The difference with IP is we teach you how to maintain the weight loss after you complete the program. In fact each phase reduce the IP moving you towards the knowledge of how to keep it off.
        Example: I had a client who went on vacation, his luggage was lost. We had talked about maintenance before he left. Without the IP, that was in his luggage, he came back 5 lbs thinner.
        Try it before you knock it. And speak to those who are successful because they listened to what their coach taught them. The end date teaches you HOW to maintain.

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      • I lost 40 lbs with Ideal Protein. I’ve been on Weight Watchers, Nutrisystem, The Metabolic center diet, some church sponsored diet, diet pills, lost weight on them all and gained it back fast. None of those taught me anything about eating real food. I shop the perimmeter of the grocery store, only go down the isles for condiments, paper goods, and personal items. I actually cook now : ) and I’ve kept my weight off for 2 years. Ideal Protein works. It helped me change my whole way of eating, I do not eat the way I used to and I feel great!

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      • It took me until now to realize this. I recently tried IDP and day 5 I felt so I’ll I had to quit. I don’t have alot to loose but I realized very quickly that weight loss is not rocket science or these expensive Fad diets. I have tried them all and the result a smaller bank account wow! I stopped ID P just on Monday and I am watching what I eat and having things in moderation. Diets don’t work keeping the weight off is the real struggle.

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      • Thank you!! This is what I wanted to see addressed. 10 years ago I lost 50 lbs on Weight Watchers, a LOT more nutritionally sound plan than this “Ideal Protein”.. Trouble is long term we tend to get lazy, slip up, let life events compromise us…. 10 years later I am up 65lbs and would give anything to find a “plan” I know I can live with forever. Ideal Protein – is definitely not one.

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      • I just started Ideal Protein after seeing two friends of mine lose over 70 lbs each. I have tried every diet..the worst being weight watchers. I would only lose 1/2 or 1/4 a week. My body does not process carbohydrates there for I need a low carb/low fat diet. Atkins worked but I was craving too many things. On IP I can have some carbs in their food like cheese curls, oatmeal, pasta, protein bars. But the best part is I can eat my own dinner…8oz protein and lots of veggies. 1 week in I’m down 9.5 pounds!! Of course when you go off any diet your odds of gaining back are really high but I will do my best to get my weight off and keep it off.

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      • They teach you how to transition to regular food while maintaining the new weight. Free weekly check ins and food choice counseling for life.

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      • When phase 1 is over, you should be at your goal weight, and you go into maintenance for phases 2-4. StAge 4 should become a lifestyle.

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    • I am seeing a clinic for weight management and I already eat 1000 -1100 calories per day. I have hypothyroid hashimoto’s disease with slow metabolism and I eat low carb high protein diet, I go to gym 3 times a week, 2 times resistance/strength training and one time cardio. I am still not losing weight, I have put on a pound in a month. This diet works on the same concept that I am already doing. Would it be worth spending that much money on this diet?

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  2. There are 4 phases to ideal protein. The first phase of the program is as you described, about 1,000 cal and protein based. Phases 2 & 3 are 2 weeks long. This is where calories and carbs are gently added back into the diet. Phase 4 is the “sustainable change” you mentioned. Ideal protein foods are no longer purchased. It’s around 2200 cal from a wide variety of foods including carbs eaten in a combination that doesn’t cause drastic rises to insulin levels resulting in fat production. So really ideal protein does have it all. That said, it’s impossible for 1 diet program to work for all people.
    Also, the ideal protein foods are not touted to be “health foods”. They are tools to make living on no carbs possible for more people and are for the weight loss phase only.
    All in all Ideal Protein is worth trying if you are looking for a healthy, safe and fast weight loss experience. It will work for everyone IF they can stay true to the strict guidelines of the program. But naturally there are those that can’t or won’t.
    I think this blog has a negative slant on IP but it just seems to be out of simply not knowing all the facts about ideal protein.

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    • You are correct. My post did have a negative slant on Ideal Protein. I stand by my initial post. I believe that weight loss should be achieved through sustainable lifestyle changes. Not through buying special products and following a strict prescribed diet. Weight loss is not the be all and end all of health and diets such as this do nothing to teach people how to make healthy choices.

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      • Read the above comments Diana. And weight loss helps many obesity issues. Diabetes, cholesterol, joint pain,blood pressure . As a dietician, you should know this.
        I have many blood test reports from clients who are amazed at the positive results of weight loss on their health issues and how quickly it was achieved.
        What you wrote was more than a SLANT.

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      • I’m not sure where you got the idea that I don’t think weight loss can assist with obesity related issues, Marilyn. Of course it can, and does for many people.

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      • I LOVE IT when the moon is full… you get the GREATEST comments!

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      • :D How are things going with you Larry?

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      • Quite well, thanks for asking Diana… please see my latest post at the bottom of this thread =)

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      • Very glad to hear it! Keep up the great work :)

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      • I couldn’t disagree with you more about the lack of education. I did much research before starring this plan 3 weeks ago, and have found my ‘coach’ to be extremely knowledgeable and readily available for any questions. There has been no hype and all she has said has matched what I’ve looked up.

        I will agree that is not the case with most programs.

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      • They taught me and saved me from bariatric surgery. I made the so called sustainable changes you described paying trainers and nutritionists thousands of dollars. Tried weight watchers and every other plan and all I got was poor health and a weight of over 300 lbs. Three years ago I lost 150 lbs and have kept it off. I use the tools they taught me to keep it off, not their food. They have always been there for me even in maintenance. My Doctor did not support me going on the plan. Now he raves about it due to the complete change in my health, no more high blood sugar, no high cholesterol, no high blood pressure, no more arthritis, no more sleep apnea. Energy to run, play, live. Before you knock something you know nothing about, study it completely. It saved my life and did so at a time in my life when most women gain weight (menopause). I would highly recommend this to anyone. I battled obesity my entire life and this is the ONLY thing that saved me!

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      • I am a registered nurse who has taught for forty some years in the fields of nutrition and weight watchers type balanced Mediterranean plans. I could not loose weight after age 50, ever though I maintained a 33 lb loss for 15 years I gained elderly weight. My doctor put me on ideal protein to improve my rheumatoid arthritis and asthma. I have lived this plan easy and safely monitored. Once I reach goal I will be coached back into refeeding carbs and maintenance. I had to change my biases against low carb diets and am pleased to report this one is terrific.

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      • Hi,
        I’m not a dietitian but I’m going to weigh in (pun intended!) with some common sense. Any restrictive diet will cause weight loss but the overwhelming research (done over the past thirty years) shows a strong correlation between restrictive diets and future weight gain. IP has been around for 20 years so time will tell if this is indeed another fad diet or a viable weight loss solution. However, that being said I’d be very concerned over a diet that a) puts your body in starvation mode, b) doesnt stress the role exercise plays in weight loss, c) has you consuming prepacked food, d) requires a lot of daily supplements, and e) costs an arm an a leg.

        Yes, I have weight to lose and I would to have a quick fix but research shows that quick weight loss is not sustainable weight loss! Great to all those who have lost weight using IP – I’ll be looking forward to seeing your long term results.

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      • Diana,

        What gives you right to comment on a system of weight loss before trying it first?

        It takes strong will and dedication to perform a diet and control your urges to eat unhealthy. Sustainable methods do not work for everyone and this is why this program works if you are dedicated.

        Clearly you do not have the courage and determination to follow this. At least do not demotivate individuals who are doing this and achieving good results.

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      • You might want to look up the meaning of the word sustainable.

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      • Sustainable – dictionary meaning – Websters version – able to be maintained at a certain rate or level.

        The topic of discussion is subjective. It depends on individual to maintain the diet with sheer hard work and dedication and make it sustainable. There are 4 phases and it is always a dangerous precedent to have less information.

        According to famous words of Keith Duckworth – “It is better to be in-informed rather than ill informed.

        Again, the whole point is to present my individual perspective and sustainability depends on the individual carrying out the activity i.e. Maintaining the diet thus achieving sustainability.

        I do understand other contexts and definitions of sustainable which is taking small steps to achieve a goal that you are able to maintain. IP helps me to achieve this goal and it is up to me to make it sustainable.

        I hope I have clarified.

        Thanks for your advice earlier.

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      • I’m sorry but I completely disagree, if you’ve ever lost weight yourself, you understand that eating broccoli, tuna and egg white is way too miserable and restrictive but using hummus and whole-grain crackers would never result in motivating weight loss! Most people get discouraged if they only lose 1 pound a week, with ideal protein you lose between 2 to 4. You need ketosis in order to drive satisfactory weight loss which doesn’t happen without scaling back ones carb intake drastically. I’ve noticed that most people who speak negatively about ideal protein are the ones that just briefly read up on it, never did much research and obviously never tried it themselves. If you look at the providers of ideal protein it’s all doctors! Cardiologists, Endocrinologists, and Internists offices are some of the most common place you’ll find it offered, hardly the place for a fad or ineffective weight loss program.

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      • Having heard more from people who have been on the IP diet I am more convinced than ever that it is not a healthy mode of weight loss.

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      • Response to Margaret- As I have said before, the old, inexpensive Atkins diet forced your body into ketosis also, It was as sustainable as IP – all you had to do is red the menus in the book and use common sense. Yes, many Dr offices and others recommend/push IP as a proven way to lose weight. Which it is. But my cardiologist and primary care Dr also told me that what happens after the weight loss is up to me. And, after asking them to be honest about why they offer this program and not others, they freely admitted that it’s a profit center. I have had many open discussions with Drs about how they are being pinched by reduced insurance reimbursement rates, reduced Medicare reimbursement and horrible Medicaid reimbursement. In fact, none of my Drs no longer accept Medicaid, nor will two of them accept new medicare patients. If you feel you need to pay $400 to $500 a month or more to lose weight and that works for you, that’s great. It’s nice to have someone coach you – just like Weight Watchers and other programs. IP is no different. The money just goes to your Drs practice instead of elsewhere. They are not selling this product (yes, the proper term is selling) because they think it’s better than anything else. It’s because they can make money off it. Caveat Emptor – or “you pays your money and you takes your chances.”

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  3. For many Ideal Protein is a sustainable lifestyle change. Many lose weight and keep it off after IP. There are some, of course that do not. Surely you don’t have a 100% success rate with every client on your version of a “sustainable diet” (maybe you could post your diet approach). Weight loss is not everything however obesity is the largest predictor of morbidity. People must get to their ideal weight or as close to it as quick as possible. Then, thru education learn how maintain it with a new life style. Every person must be willing to be inspired and to learn.

    “Diets such as this [ideal protein] do nothing to teach people how to make healthy choices.

    IP clients learn all about insulins role in weight gain and the importance of healthy blood sugar levels. They learn the importance of glycemic index, daily water intake, avoiding excess carb consumption, health fats, cooking with healthy vegetables and the overall importance of vegetables and so much more.

    You should take the time to actually learn about ideal protein. It’s obvious you’re opinions about it are based on false assumptions.

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  4. I went on IP and lost 15lbs in around 5/6 weeks around August 2013. Prior to that i consistently exercised and ate healthy but just couldn’t seem to lose those 15lbs. Fast forward to January 2014, i am back up by 10lbs. I agree 100% with the author that it is not sustainable weight loss………..even on their maintenance program. Because the IP program states you should not exercise on Phase 1 because you are not eating enough calories, no proper dietary program should state that, i should have seen that to begin with. The diet works for sure, but is far from sustainable and is ridiculously expensive.

    My advice to anyone going on the program is to have a balanced diet after the program and start exercising, because i feel people may have the potential to balloon quickly after. I think it is cheaper to buy p90x and hire a dietitian !

    There is no magic formula to weight loss, exercise more eat less and maintenance is just as simple, exercise and eat no more than you have burned off. The reason i feel i have gained is because you literally miss eating real food on IP. I did feel as if i was starving, but i was careful not to go crazy after.

    Great article Diana, wish i read it last year !

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    • Thank you so much for sharing your story! Very true that weight loss is difficult. Hence many people being drawn in by the allure of programs such as IP. Of course, the real test is when the program ends… All too often the weight comes back. I wish you every success in your journey to health. It sounds like you’re on the right track!

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      • I have been on IP for one week. Why? I tried everything else, including healthy lifesstyle eating but when you are 59 and gaining weight and nothing helps, I’m willing to try anything. Three people in my office followed the IP protocol and had amazing results. One girl is into her 4th month and has lost 37 lbs and looks amazing. Believe me, I see it with my own eyes and this works if you follow it to the letter. Once I am down to my goal I will eat healthy food and less of it, I will never go back to being frumpy again!

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    • “Buy p90x and hire a dietician”

      What percentage of people are really willing to commit to p90x? Now THAT is an unsustainable life.
      There is nothing wrong with losing weight fast on a lowcal protein based diet. Ketogenic diets are perfectly healthy when done within the proper clinical protocol. It’s also fine to discontinue strenuous exercise for a short time in order to lose weight. Also, It’s fallacious to claim that weight loss isn’t sustainable based on the weight loss method used to lose the weight. I could easily argue that moving into the healthy sustainable maintenance diet IP offers after performing the weight loss phase is a lot easier for most people than the slow weight loss/exercise calorie restriction lifestyle diet change you are suggesting.

      “Ridiculously expensive”.

      Nonsense. Ideal Protein will cost anywhere between $0-50 per week to your food buget. I have a sneaking suspicion you are the blogmaster in disguise.

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      • Brian, I am no blogmaster. I am just a regular person sharing my IP experience. I do think that at the end of the day, it is about balance. The program is very expensive and the majority of the time you are hungry ! There is no magic pill to losing weight and once you understand that life and weight loss will be easier. I did it, and I know it works, but it is not sustainable. I admit that i was drawn in by the ability to lose weight quickly, because exercising 4 days and eating healthy is hard work. If you arent willing to commit to exercise, good luck at having a healthy life. You dont have to buy p90x but you have to recognize that exercise is important.

        Not sure where IP costs $50 per week. If you are using 3 boxes of unrestricted products a week and 1 box of restricted, that is around $80 per week , just to ensure you don’t starve to death, plus the cost of regular food.

        Obviously whatever you are selling nobody is buying.

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      • I own an ideal protein business so I have had the opportunity to coach hundreds of people in this program over the past 3 years. My clinic has lost 6,430 lbs. I know the diets benefits and short comings. One can not just say “it’s unsustainable”. Perhaps it wasn’t sustainable for you or for a particular individual. No one diet works for everybody. But IP is most definitely proven sustainable for a large percentage of people. Being hungry all the time is extremely unusual and that is not experienced by the vast majority of dieters. Usually it is a sign they are deviating from the program. We have had numerous clients lose over a hundred pounds over 7 months time.This could never be accomplished in the presence of persistent hunger. Rightly you say there is no magic pill for weight loss and IP doesn’t claim to be that at all.
        Personally I happen to use p90x training on a weekly basis. It works for me. We work with local gyms,trainers and exercise centers to fit people with once they reach the maintenance phase. It is not necessary to exercise to successfully lose weight. It can be used in conjunction with a weight loss diet but doesn’t have to be. Should everybody exercise? Of course. And they can begin after they lose the weight. IP has the advantage of providing a method of weight loss and maintenance for those that can’t or won’t workout.
        Lastly, is there a cost for such a high quality diet? Of course but one doesn’t need to be wealthy to afford IP. The alcohol, Starbucks and restaurant costs all get cut leaving room to pay for IP foods, protein and vegetables.

        Clearly this method is not for you. My issue is with people like you who dismiss it as “unsustainable” and how the blog author makes false assertions about the program to deter people from it. The diet didn’t fail. You failed the diet.

        Obviously what I’m selling people are buying because our clinic is growing and our clients are shrinking!

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      • Sustainable packaged food.
        Let’s save the world with it!

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      • 100% of Americans eat packaged food every day. Great comment!

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      • Excellent statistic!! Thankfully in Canada 100% of our consumers do not eat packaged food and our healthcare professionals focus on lifestyle modification to help people make sustainable change to improve health outcomes rather than focus solely on weight.

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      • Oh, so everybody in canada lives on a farm and never eats anything in a package! I see! Actually, ideal protein teaches it’s clinics how to assist people in removing excess weight quickly and safely and then to maintain their weight with a sustainable lifestyle all on their own. You should actually learn about the ideal protein method and then comment :)

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      • 2.2% of Canadians live on a farm- you should learn about your neighboring country. We don’t live in igloos either.

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      • I love Canada!:)

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      • Feom what I found ideal protein us $350 to sign up then about $90 per week in phase 1 as you are buying all their products and phase lasts until 90%of the weight that you are trying to lose comes off.

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      • BS! It is $160-$185 a week for IP FOOD! Did the diet twice. 68lb loss the first time then regained 40 of it back. 35 lb loss 5 years later gained 25 of it back! Impossible to maintain. IP makes you starve yourself and deplete your system then when you add the good suff back in like brown rice, fruit etc…. That will make you gain weight rapidly, yes the good stuff, I’m not talking alcohol, sweets pasta etc… I’m living proof! Made me sad and so overpriced to have to gain most of it back rapidly!

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      • Not sure if you guys are aware but there is another way that is cheaper and it’s much like IP it’s called IPA. Cheaper and same idea and available

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    • When you get to the maintenance phase, you ARE eating a balanced diet.

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    • Its not that the protein protocol didnt work…You didnt. You didnt follow the weightloss phase 4 and gaining a bit of weight back afterwards is completely NORMAL.

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  5. Diana clearly does not have all the facts on Ideal Protein. It DOES work…they DO teach you to restructure your eating habits so when you are off the diet the weight does not come back. It is more successful to those who have MORE weight to lose as you are on the diet longer and better eating HABITS are formed. To lose weight, you have to change your ways, and if you do that you will have the best results. I have tried with a dietitian to lose weight.. I have tried weight watchers, Diet Center..nothing really worked for me. This IS working, getting it off is the hard part. One point that has not been pointed out here is that this diet IS RECOMMENDED by Doctors. (You know those Health Care professionals?) That is how I found about this program, and I have regular checkups, and doing well. My BMI has decreased and so has my cholesterol level, which as a result has my medication reduced. It is even going through test stages to be presented to Insurance companies to possibly have this treatment covered. Why would that be hmmm?? Because it is a reliable system that helps people lose weight and reduce associated health risks.

    Diana has simply stated her opinion here and like most people will scoff at new ideas they themselves have not tried to see the results. Well I for one am thankful that this product has made its way to Canada! I have seen results from people in our group and they have kept off the weight. You DEFINITELY lose weight when you follow the guidelines…losing is the hard part, once the weight is off, if you gain 5 pounds diet for a week..no big deal… I would truly recommend this weight loss to anyone!!

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  6. @Brian

    The pharmacy that I work at is pushing to get involved in IP. I am a pharmacist and have a masters in human nutrition. I have no doubts that you do lose weight on this program. Admittedly, I have to spend more time researching Ideal Protein. However, at this point it sounds like a dressed up version of the ketogenic diet. What I have read is the induction phase does induce ketosis, which is a natural process and evolutionarily speaking completely healthy. The big problem I have with this program (not withstanding the GMO ingredients) is the pre-packaging of the “food”. To prepackage there has to be some degree of processing. Again, that is just my first impression. For years we have been “taught” what is proper for nutrition. My argument is you can still do this program without the packaging of food. I do stand by what Diana says right now until there is conclusive evidence that it is the new norm in nutrition.

    PS – Education should never be started with a caustic comment. I do apologize for my chemotherapy comment, however the burden of proof falls to those trying to change the current norm. Doing so in anger does not help your cause.

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    • I want non-gmo ingredients.

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    • Please, pray tell, what would those ideal proteins be in regular food? I guess if we could figure that out we might not need Ideal Protein which, as Brian told you, have the right amount of amino acids and is readily digested.

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      • Bev, are you asking what foods contain protein? Plenty of foods do (such as: fish, poultry, meat, beans, legumes, eggs, tofu…). There is no need to purchase heavily processed packaged foods to obtain amino acids.

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      • “There is no need to purchase heavily processed packaged foods to obtain amino acids.”

        Of course there isn’t but this statement sheds light on your ignorance in two ways.

        1.) One of the advantages of the IP foods is that the dieter doesn’t need to concern themselves as to whether or not they are getting a full compliment of essential amino acids. They are. Between the allowed protein choices and the IP foods the IP dieter always receives optimal protein to ensure minimal muscle wasting during weight loss. It’s all figured out for them. It’s an excellent convenience.

        2.) The main reason “heavily processed packaged foods” are so bad is mainly due to a high content of refined carbohydrates which IP foods have none of. Refined carbs spike insulin, cause obesity and are a major cause of diabetes and degenerative illness. IP foods are processed in a way that delivers complete protein nutrition without delivering a heavy calorie and carb load. For you to suggest IP foods share similar properties to Cheez-its and Cliff bars is ridiculous and if I’m being kind, its being “less than honest”.

        You are attempting to paint IP out to be a low rent run-of-the-mill weight loss program. It isn’t. It is an exceptionally well thought out top of the line medical weight loss method. I don’t doubt that you have education in nutrition but your education of IP is badly wanting and it doesn’t reflect well on you to talk about it.

        Is Ideal protein for everybody? Of course not. NO diet fits EVERY person.

        Are hundreds of thousands of people currently succeeding with Ideal Protein? Yes.

        Will a persons health be measurably better after IP? Yes.

        Will a person get the nutritional education and support they need to maintain their weight from an authorized Ideal Protein clinic? Yes.

        Should you try Ideal Protein? Maybe. Find out for yourself!

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      • Or instead of eating heavily processed protein cheesies in dill pickle flavour one can boil some eggs and have a piece of toast or a few ounces of nuts for less money all while they instill a healthy habit.

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      • Emma said:

        “Or instead of eating heavily processed protein cheesies in dill pickle flavour one can boil some eggs and have a piece of toast or a few ounces of nuts for less money all while they instill a healthy habit.”

        Of course somebody could and should make choices like this over other poorer choices that may be available to them. This statement raises questions to be answered. Like, at what time of day and how many times per day would a meal like this be appropriate or inappropriate? At what stage of weight loss is it appropriate to eat toast? How many nuts should a person concerned with burning fat eat? How quickly does the dieter want to lose weight?

        When you buy ideal protein foods you’re not just paying for something to eat. You’re paying for an entire program with credentialed teachers that come along with it to guide and support you in what can be a very difficult journey for many people. The achievement of weight loss and a balanced maintenance diet is complicated and requires knowledge. Knowledge comes at a cost. Professionals are paid to transfer knowledge to clients in all sorts of fields. The consumer decides whether or not they would like to research and “DIY” or pay professionals for a service.

        Many people will not succeed in their diet by walking away from a dietitians desk with a list of healthy foods. They need a specific, strict mapped out program that tells them exactly what to eat and when to eat it. That is the advantage of Ideal Protein.

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      • “Or instead of eating heavily processed protein cheesies in dill pickle flavour one can boil some eggs and have a piece of toast or a few ounces of nuts for less money all while they instill a healthy habit.”

        Also I’d like to add that baked into this statement is the ideal that “some eggs and toast” or a “few ounces of nuts” is equivalent to an ideal protein packet. This is not at all the case which just further demonstrates the misunderstanding of Ideal Protein on this thread.

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  7. Jeepers. I MEANT non-gmo.

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    • All Ideal protein foods use non GMO ingredients. But even if they were not, the foods are only a tool utilized for a short time until the dieter reaches the maintenance phase.

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  8. Some good/great info here. From most things I’ve read here and elsewhere, people are either strong supporters or strong opponents of the “IP Protocol”.

    I’m more than 100# overweight, an insulin supported diabetic, and am facing knee replacement surgery (sort of related, but it’s a long term failure due to OA) and I need to lose the weight before I can successfully go through the surgery.

    I see how this “Protocol” can work, but I’m having a problem with: a) having to buy products with unknown ingredients to make up a large portion of my dietary intake for 3-5 months b) the cost ($90/wk, food only) plus a monthly program fee ($50), which is $2000 for 5 months, and c) no way to verify/validate the claims of success being made.

    Anyone able to give me any info based on the 3 concerns I’ve listed above, I’d be very grateful.

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    • Thanks for your questions Larry. You need to find a weight loss plan that will work for you. Have you asked your doctor about programs in the area that s/he might be able to refer you to? Ideally, you’ll want to undertake something that you’ll be able to maintain as a long-term lifestyle, rather than a diet. Everyone is different and something that is successful for one person may be completely unsuitable for another person. As you can see from my original post, I take issue with programs that insist you use their foods and follow a prescriptive plan. As you can see from the comments, some people have had success with such programs (especially those who own franchises).

      In my opinion, the best programs are multidimensional and involve several health and fitness professions (e.g. doctor, dietitian, physiotherapist, trainer/fitness instructor, psychologist).

      Best of luck to you in finding a program that will help you to attain your health goals!

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      • Thanks Diana-

        I totally agree I’ve got to shop for what will work for me and I DO realize there is no “one size fits all” (pun intended).

        Like you, I’ve noticed the majority of the supporting voices seem to come more from people who have a dog in the fight on the practitioner/franchisee perspective, which is rather troubling. The most troubling part of it for me is almost all of them are simply parroting what’s on the website, ALMOST verbatim… so it sort of seems like the way a cult operates =) As an example, just on this one thread, there seems to be two primary respondents and they sound as if the puppeteer is controlling them.

        I do however see there ARE people reporting personal successes with the program, but the concern I have is these are people that are possibly being remunerated for singing the praises of the “protocol”. I’ve tried to contact some people who reported their own success with it and have not received any direct replies and I’ve asked my social networks on FB, LinkedIn and Twitter (about 2k people strong) and can’t find ANYONE I KNOW that’s taken the plunge.

        Yes, I know a multi-dimensional approach is best, but the big problem for me is the severe osteoarthritis I’m suffering in one knee that causes me to wear a brace to simply walk around all day keeps me from my most common form of exercise, walking. I’ve talked to trainers and cycling is out, swimming is a potential option (if there were a pool available) and weights will potentially help with upper body work, so that’s an option.

        Again, thanks for your comments.

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      • You’re very welcome. I wish I could be of more assistance.

        Swimming is definitely a great activity, particularly for those with joint pain.

        If you have any other questions I might be able to help you with, please don’t hesitate to contact me!

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      • Wow! Speaking of expensive! By the time you pay for the dietician, physio, trainer, psychologist, you could do the Ideal Protein diet three times over! (Or more)

        Anyway I was an Ideal Protein skeptic as well, however eating healthy and exercising just didn’t work since I went post meno. I was on many programs designed for me from naturopaths ( the medical doctors just shrugged and said my weight gain was normal, blargh!) however nothing worked for me. I had friends that had gone on Ideal Protein and it worked and they kept the weight off, so I decided to give it a try.

        The foods aren’t that expensive since your grocery bill goes down dramatically plus the costs of eating out, alcohol, etc. And because they have provided the foods with all the necessary proteins, amino acids, etc, they have taken all the guesswork out for us, which is much appreciated…it is easy to follow because we don’t have to think about it.

        I am an IP convert. It’s not for everyone, but don’t diss it! It works.

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    • Larry, I agree with Diana in that the optimal result with a diet is that a person develops a sustainable life style and new relationship with food. It’s one thing just to lose weight and another to keep it off. With that said let me address your concerns and see if it helps you decide. It seems your weight problem has progressed into diabetes and a substantial musculoskeletal problem so you really do need to consider drastic measures. A very specific and guided program like ideal protein may be a good choice for you.

      1.) “Buying products with unknown ingredients”. If you’re like most people with excess pounds, you probably didn’t gain the extra weight in 3-5 months while only eating 100% farm raised foods. The ideal protein foods are designed to give you a complete protein serving while at the same time replacing common carbohydrate foods with a low glycemic version. Are they 100% natural? No. Are they toxic? No. Approximately half of your caloric intake comes from the IP foods and the other half from vegetables and proteins (chicken, fish, eggs, beef etc). You will not die or get sick from the short time you use the IP foods. You could however get seriously ill from the medications your are supplementing your diet with now.

      2.) I don’t know about other clinics but we charge a one time $135 consultation fee (No $50 per month fee). This pays for all the support you will receive (phone, text, email, internet service and website info access, all weekly check-ups, weekly body composition analysis). After that the only cost is the food and vitamins . At a glance you may think you are adding $90 per week to your expenses. But its not always that simple. It’s $90 per month spent on food. Everybody spends money on food everyday already. You’re adding your IP clinic into the stores you food shop from. Granted, the IP foods are more expensive than regular foods due to the medical/nutritional engineering that goes into them. In reality it will probably increase your weekly food expense by $50 not $90. This varies for people. If you eat out often, go to starbucks, etc you may pay even less or break even. The extra money you will be investing is for a fully guided and well thought out medical weight loss protocol. Only you can decide the value in that for yourself. If you think you can lose your weight on your own and devise a healthy eating plan by research and reading then you should do that and save your money. Or you can pay for all the thought to be done for you. IP is a weight loss protocol AND a weight maintenance protocol. The purchase of IP foods is not necessary in maintenance.

      3.) In my clinic we offer a free workshop for interested people to learn the details of the program and to see if it’s right for them. It’s difficult to make a choice when everybody out there claims that their program is “the best”. We have hundreds of success stories now. We also have hundreds of people that have quit before they reached their goal. Your weight is all in your mind. If you commit to just about any program it will “work”. With IP you will be committing to a safe and medically developed system which is reassuring. Since you mentioned knee problems, Id like to mention that just this week one of our dieters who has lost 105lbs is now off ALL medication and upon a follow up knee X-ray no longer needs surgery at this time. I realize that this is anecdotal evidence but short of educating you in a formal workshop it’s the best I can do. See if you have a local clinic that charges a “one time fee” and does free orientation workshops. Hope this helps! Good luck!

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      • Thanks Brian

        While I’m glad to see you agree with Diana (most reasonable people would) like many who have peripheral knowledge of a persons situation and how they reached their current state, there are a few misassumptions in your feedback.

        My “substantial musculoskeletal problem” with my knee can be traced back to having my cartilage surgically removed 38 years ago after it bucket handled following a wrestling injury in college. After all of those years of bone-on-bone damage, it’s finally given way and requires replacement. Has my weight impacted the problem? Sure. But it’s far from the crux of that problem.

        As for my “weight problem progressing into diabetes” there’s a double edged sword, because my Father was also diabetic, so it was recessive and eventually reared its ugly head. Again, has my weight impacted the problem? Sure. But it’s far from the cause of that problem either.

        Snipped from 1) “…a complete protein serving while at the same time replacing common carbohydrate foods with a low glycemic version. Are they 100% natural? No. Are they toxic? No. Approximately half of your caloric intake comes from the IP foods…You will not die or get sick from the short time you use the IP foods. You could however get seriously ill from the medications your are supplementing your diet with now….

        So what you’re saying is there ARE carbs in these foods that aren’t natural or toxic =) My understanding (from what I’ve read) is they are soluble proteins and there is a lot of sucralose in them. Not necessarily ‘toxic’, but it causes a lot of gastric distress for some people. Are these facts true? And while I may not “die or get sick” from them, I don’t think the prescription medications I’m taking will ,make mew “seriously Ill” either. I see an endocrinologist quarterly, have regular blood screenings, and my liver and kidneys are not showing ANY signs of damage.

        Snipped from 2) “…No $50 per month fee…you may think you are adding $90 per week to your expenses. But its not always that simple….In reality it will probably increase your weekly food expense by $50 not $90… extra money you will be investing is for a fully guided and well thought out medical weight loss protocol…”

        The local clinic has the free “Come to Jesus” meeting, but they charge a $50 monthly fee, and I was directly quoted a price of $90 PER WEEK for the IP foods… not somewhere between $50-90, or $90 a month. And *IF* a portion of that is for the added features of the ‘protocol’, it would be good if it were billed that way so anyone considering it could weigh that into their considerations. I’m assuming the $50/month would cover all of that and if it did and the food was ONLY $90/month, this would be a lot easier to swallow (pun intended!)

        Snipped form 3) “…With IP you will be committing to a safe and medically developed system which is reassuring….no longer needs surgery at this time. I realize that this is anecdotal evidence..”

        The brochure says it’s based on “a medically designed protocol developed in Europe 25 years ago” but why is it there has been little or no information on IP here i the US until recently? I’d think if it’s been successful that long, it would have come to the obese US a long time ago… has there been problems getting FDA approval? I would think if it’s billed as being “medically designed and developed” there might be a requirement to certify those types of claims. And I’m really glad for your client he has been able to avoid knee surgery, but as you say, it is anecdotal… I don’t expect any amount of weight loss to result in bone growth or automagic regeneration of cartilage. =(

        Thanks for the feedback.

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      • My daughter and son in law did the program with great success. They are now eating healthy and do not buy the ID foods now but still eat a lot of the vegs in the diet. They are not gaining.

        I stared today. It is costly. I paid no consultation fees. I called three clinics and this was the only one in my area not charging. So call around.
        I paid. $96 for 21 packets. That is a lot. I am just praying that somehow I can manage to continue.
        Plus all the vitamins. Then all the vegs and meats.
        Every time I think I would have bought take out or coffee I will set that money aside.
        I got weighed in on Thurs, I took Fri to make all the purchases and plans.
        Sat / today was day one.

        My problem is I tend to never feel hungry, skip meals and eat wrong. Love bread, marg and heavy on gravy and sauces. Enjoy cooking for others and of course all the trimmings.
        Sorry , it’s all about me for a while now lol
        Today was a lot of work just figuring out food amounts and making sure I took what I needed when I left for work. I had to consciously be aware of what I had to do because as I said I rarely feel hungry. I suspect that will change quickly. I really didn’t want the night snack tonight but did in fear to alter anything. I am guessing I will be just waiting to gnaw into it most nights once matabolism kicks into high gear.
        Here’s to hoping it works. I do like that it’s pretty much laid out to follow.

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      • I started the IP program this past Monday, and I feel great already! I have WAY more energy and I can tell I have lost weight already this first week! Is it a little expensive? Yes, but I look at it like it will be saving my life and you really can’t put a price on that! I have 94lbs to lose and I am very excited to be feeling good already. The IP packaged foods are actually very tasty, and I do not feel hungry at all! Thank you to anyone that is an IP coach!

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    • Ideal Protein has a Protocol specifically for insulin dependent clients. My client who was insulin dependent, used a scooter to get around, graduated to a cane as the weight came off , now needs none of these. Has he maintain 2 years later? You bet. It’s all in the education, personal desire, and willing to follow what we teach you.

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    • Larry, no problem I can tell you that the IP program works as I started 10/27/2015 at 291.8 with my VF at 23 (the fat around your organs bad fat) muscle was 27.7 Fat was 37.9 my waist was 50.25 and now 12/26/2015 I am at 244.4 with a VF at 17 Muscle at 29.6 Fat is at 34.4 and my waist is 44.0 and I feel great. I will admit the diet takes considerable will power and if your a lazy unmotivated person you will fail on this diet. On the other hand if you are a results oriented person you will see the same success I have seen. I know all the doctors tell you to lose weight by diet and exercise but they do not give you a concrete plan. The first thing this plan had me do was get a spectra cell test done to see how my body uses what I had been eating down to the cell level not just what is in your blood but inside the cells. This will tell you so much about your unique and yes each of us is unique in how our bodies work. I know the dieticians have been taught to do things one way and for those only a few pounds 10-20 over their way will work. In my case I am 103 over my target (my Doctor set the target) so I needed something so structured that I could not fail. It has been hard, well lets be honest really hard as i started just before thanksgiving and Christmas two major eating holidays and I have stayed true to the program no matter what was presented in front of me. I have done a ton of exercise and tried eating healthy for years and I just did not have the structure that this diet provides. So yes I may have seen some loss when doing all that work buy nothing like this diet. The key behind this diet is the state at which the diet places your body in and how your body burns away the VF. This method works for me and I have first hand knowledge for over 23 of my closest friends (both Men and Women) who have had the same type of results. They have all slipped up on the diet here and there but still were able to correct and get back on and reach their weight loss goals. I know that the standard eating the right foods and such is cheaper but I needed (and my friends) a plan that was structured. I eat at 5 AM then again at 8 AM then again at 1130 AM then again at 230 PM and then again at 500 PM then lastly at 730 PM and with each meal I have one 16.9 oz bottle of water. All meals are IP with the exception of the 500 PM which is 2 cups of spinach/celery/Cucumber/Lettuce and 8 oz of before cooking weighted chicken (you can use other meats just make sure they are on the list). Now I have a turning point coming up soon, once I hit 240 pounds I will cut out an IP product and reduce down to 4 IP a day and still eat my normal dinner. I can eat as many unrestricted vegetables as I like with no more than two cups a week of tomatoes. The diet teaches you what to eat and when based on your bodies stage. Once I finish phase one and begin phase two I will pretty much be off IP foods and yes the food is costly but during this process I have been doing blood work with my Doctor and I am happy to report I no longer need to take any blood pressure or cholesterol medications at all, and we all know how those drugs can destroy your liver. So yes I had to spend some savings and not take a vacation during the holidays this year but results of investing in myself have been paying off in so many ways I cannot be happier. I still have a ways to go but I can see the end (reaching my target weight) goal fast approaching and so long as I stay strong I will accomplish my target. Once I am done I will start light strength training and work my way up safely from there to ensure I continue to build muscle, and I will eat both what and when I should instead of how I used to eat which was what I wanted when I wanted it coupled with the portion size I wanted. I have learn that we really do overeat most often and eating the proper portions at the proper times will ensure I maintain a normal weight and live better. This is my take on IP based on what I have personally experienced and those experiences of my closest friends. I hope that insurance companies would require people who are morbidly-obese (and yes it sounds hard to hear those words but when your are 100 lbs over you are morbidly-obese not just over weight) to use this program to correct their weight and help America stop the explosion of diabetes epidemic that is plaguing our nation. We all know people who are FAT-MORBIDLY-OBESE so be a friend and tell them about the program and save their life!!!!! I know of 4 women friends of mine who could not get pregnant and they tried for years and once they lost the weight they were able to start their families and now they are super happy. This diet is to much of a secret and it needs to get out to the public.

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  9. Larry,

    “So what you’re saying is there ARE carbs in these foods that aren’t natural or toxic”

    There is a small amount of carbs in some of them but they are overwhelmingly protein based foods. I don’t consider them “natural foods” because they are processed and packaged. To me things like grass fed beef, apples, vegetables, raw milk and unprocessed rice are natural. Only some contain sucralose and only a small percentage of people have problems digesting it. I do not consider any artificial sweetener to be “healthy”. However, from over 150 studies it appears Sucralose is safe and leaves the body exactly as it goes in. Very little is absorbed. Sucralose and the IP foods are tools to give dieters a variety of great tasting, low cal, protein based foods.

    Let me try to clarify on the finances. At my office the packets of food are $4.10ea. Dieters buy 21 per week (3 per day). They spend $86.10 per week or $12.30 per day. That is a constant expense during the weight loss phase. My point is that you are not going to be paying $86.10 ON TOP OF your current food bill. You already spend a certain amount of money on food every day. You would be trading out some of the money you’d spend at the grocery store or a restaurant on the IP foods. The IP foods become part of your grocery expense. The only way to truly know how much IP would cost you is knowing how much you spend on food every week between groceries and restaurants. The feedback we get from dieters is anywhere between 1) actually saving money because they avoid alcohol and restaurant bills on top of their grocery bills ,2) they break even or 3) and this is the majority of folks, it adds up to $50 per week to their budget. Do you see what I mean?

    Why IP has only been in the US for the past 7 years or so I don’t know. The foods are regulated by the FDA and perhaps meeting their requirements delayed their expansion.

    Check out their “Jim Jones meeting” (LOL). It’s the best way to learn the most about it and see if it’s not for you.

    And P.S. Do not minimize the dangers of taking medication. A 2000 JAMA study showed properly prescribed medication is the 3rd leading cause of preventable death in the US. Many if not most prescription meds would kill a person if the whole bottle was taken at once. Obviously toxicity is dose related but they are still toxic none the less and their effects are cumulative. If there is a way you can get off medication by restoring health then you should.

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  10. So, I went to the “Come to Jesus” meeting and it was a pretty hard sell. They asked if people had questions, there were a dozen, they wrote them all down and proceeded to NOT ANSWER them directly, only gave some unclear gibberish about how the ‘Protocol” serves everyone’s needs…. “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!”

    YOU HAVE TO EAT THEIR FOODS, and only their foods
    YOU HAVE TO TAKE THEIR SUPPLEMENTS and only their supplements
    IF YOU DEVIATE, they’ll drop you from the program
    IF YOU CONSUME ALCOHOL they’ll drop you from the program

    The “start up fee” is $499, but you get $50 off for attending the meeting. It includes your “initial exam and individual counseling” and a week worth of packaged foods that they choose, plus 6 meal replacement drinks of their choice… oh, and you get a log book and a blender jar! $249 is for food and stuff, $200 is for the consultation.

    Then it’s $50/month for ‘maintenance’ and $95/week for food, plus $70/mo for supplements.

    So for me, looking to lose 100+ pounds, they estimate 6-7months with a wind down month at the end… so 8months would cost me $449, $50×7, $95×32, $70×7 = $4430, or $44.30/per pound… and of course, I’d be buying my own proteins and vegetables for daily consumption on top of this.

    The selling point is THE TYPE OF PROTEINS they provide accelerate the weight loss through ketosis, and the supplements they provide are the only ones designed to work properly with the proteins provided… if I use OTC supplements, I might have an electrolyte imbalance and pass out… it happened to a participant in the program.

    …and if I were to consume alcohol, it would inhibit the ability of the cells to properly work with the proteins and supplements. Now mind you, I’m NOT A BIG drinker… but every couple of week, I like to have a beer or a couple of shots out with friends… but we were warned about the participant who had ONE BEER and was random checked and had a BAC level of .25 and it took 6 months of court appearances to get him excused from a DUI…

    I’m not sure what to believe… I KNOW if I decide to tough it out on my own, I could drop the same amount of weight in a longer period of time, but I don’t know that I HAVE A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME… because I need to have knee surgery early next year.

    And Brian? Don’t bother responding… I already know the type of mumbo jumbo you’re going to give me. It won’t be any different than the last two responses I’ve gotten. I’d prefer to hear from people who have actually participated in the program and have walked the same mile in the same shoes I’m wearing.

    Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?? =)

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    • Sorry Larry, you’re hearing from me. I now regret trying to offer you helpful advice. Mind you I clearly had no monetary incentive to do so. My input was genuine. I didn’t sell you any “mumbo jumbo” either loser.
      Either pay the money for the service or don’t and good luck on your own. What is the “buffer” you’re looking for? You either sack up and get your health in order or own the consequences. Clearly you’re skeptical. So “see ya”. I politely ignored the pejorative “come to Jesus” tone you barfed out previously and offered you advice anyway. My mistake. We sell a valuable product and service. One that works. You wanna drink? See you later and go to AA since you clearly have an addiction. You want to take your own vitamins? See you later, ideal protein is a medical weight loss protocol with specific supplement requirements. They offered you the courtesy of being up front and telling you the costs and exactly what is expected of you FOR FREE before taking your dough. No bait and switch scam, no hard sell. You’re welcome. So IP is not for you. You answered your question.
      Nobody forced you to drink the extra shots with your bros and eat all the pizza that put in a 100lb hole and on poisonous drugs. You did it yourself. Now dig yourself out. Or pay for for help and shut up. Cut and dry. I will say that center you went to charges a lot more than I do.
      And for the record I spent 1/4 of my life with a weight problem. Now I don’t. I know what it’s like to sit in a chair and look down at rolls of fat on my lap. I live the ideal protein lifestyle every day. That’s why my business is successful and people lose weight under my care with this system every day. Move on, IP is clearly not for you.

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      • I would not buy anything from you or your clinic. Your response here is very unprofessional and spiteful. I would not trust you with such an personal and important journey.

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      • Just for the record there are other reasons why a person might gain 100 lbs – other than sitting on the couch eating pizza- which is a very negative comment on your part. I gained 140 lbs due to an unrealized, and undiagnosed Thyroid condition, extreme fibromylgia-like body aches, years of impacted lack of sleep, and being a responsible, full time, single working mother with very little time to look after herself. It has taken a lot of time and personal research to dig my way out from under these issues. Structured eating was not my sole need to loose the weight. I realize you are expressing frustration, however as you indicate yourself to be a person involved in the weight loss industry, compassion and understanding is important.

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  11. I hope that you’re able to find the assistance that you’re looking for, Larry. Best of luck!

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    • Hey Larry,

      I wish you well on this journey. Perhaps you could talk to your family physician to see if there are any weight management programs within your locale (if you live in canada there should be some!) for extra support.

      You could also talk you your physician about perhaps advocating for you that a specific number on the scale can be arbitrary when it comes to surgery. Your cardiac health and how well you breathe are also very important- maybe there is a way you two can work out how your wellbeing improves prior to surgery another way aside from weight. (Cardiac stress testing etc.)

      Start off with small achievable goals. (Google smart goals)

      Get a calendar for tracking your progress and

      Start with 1 diet or exercise change at a time.

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      • Thanks Emma

        Sorry I didn’t reply before, got a little wrapped around the axle over the other comments received.

        I HAVE spoken to my Physician (he who supports an IP clinic as a sideline), my Endocrinologist, my Orthopedic Surgeon and two registered Nutritionists since originally posting. We’ve investigated a few “weight management programs”, most of which involve packaged foods, meal replacement drinks and/or phentermine injections.

        In the meantime, I’ve made logical adjustments with some positive results…. which is what I’ll be doing after ANY program anyway, if I want long term success. So, I’m working your “2-Item Plan”, which is the basis of any successful goal attainment. =)

        And I’m planning to reinvestigate with the Surgeon his bottom line to something non-arbitrary.

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  12. I’ve scanned these responses and wanted to give my feedback on the IP program. First and foremost, everyone here has a point that ends up being somewhat correct. You can, and DO lost weight on the program. Yes, you lose water weight in the beginning. Yes, you have to buy their products to participate. Larry, The clinic that you went to is not the experience that I had, but if it had been, I would have been turned off as well. My coaching fees were less than $100 (One time) and my food and vitamins averaged $90 per week. At the start I weighed in at 228lbs. I lost 40 lbs in 10 weeks. Unfortunately I went on vacation week 11 and set myself back a few pounds before settling into “Phase 4”. That was 6 months ago. Today I am going to the gym 1-2 times per week and eating sensibly. I live in New Orleans, so everything fried comes with the territory. My daily food regimen consists of a smoothie (Greens and fruits, etc) for breakfast. Cucumber, tomato, and avocado salad for lunch and usually Chicken, with veggies and brown rice at dinner (M-F). Weekends I go off the hook a bit and have fun.

    If Ideal protein did anything good for me, it broke my addiction of drinking sodas and from eating fast food. I drink plenty of water and have done fairly well maintaining my weight. I occasionally return to phase one when I feel the need to use it as a detox.

    Current weight: 192

    The only way to sustain after the diet is to change the way you think about “diet”. Its not an event but a lifestyle change. You can’t eat garbage and expect your body to stay lean. You can however make small changes that help you learn what works for you.

    I hope this helps.

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    • Thanks for weighing in Jason. I hope that your comments will be helpful to Larry.

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    • Thanks Jason! THESE are the kind of comments I’ve hoped to receive. Yep, I fully appreciate that once I get to my “target weight”, I’m on my own and need to make a true lifestyle change, (not ‘diet’) an dnot rely on someone else and their regimen after that… and I’m willing to work hard to achieve that.

      I didn’t get where I am overnight, and over the past two years I’ve jettisoned soda and other sweetened drinks ALMOST totally- I do occasionally drink juice and Vitamin Water (which is really improperly named!) sometimes, but not frequently. Fast/Junk food is maybe a once every two weeks thing for me, and I don’t see it as a treat… it’s more a case of laziness.

      For me, it’s more a matter of portions and the mix of foods… way too many carbs and more fats than I should consume. But even cutting back on those things makes it a slow slog to any goal.

      And I’m WORKING ON IT, well enough that I haven’t gained any weight since last October, but I keep losing the same 20 pounds over and over, sadly.. losing it 6x doesn’t equate to losing 120 pounds =(

      Thanks again for your words of encouragement and sharing your experience. Having spent months in New Orleans, Buddy.. I feel your pain… what isn’t fried, is served on a platter, not a plate.

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      • Why all the RIGHT AND WRONG finger pointing ? Wow , it is amazing to read all the comments and feel some of you are not reading them before commenting, IP is a tool it is a resource to reset your pancreas and start over in a healthy rhythm inside your body, once that happens it is Up to you to take your education on food (your responsibility) for maintaining a healthy life style, IP IS NOT A LIFETIME DIET, some of us succeed better with a kick start re-set button. I had better success with this plan than any other fad diet going. Yes …my end goal is to be a smart eater of regular whole foods and maintain my healthy weight. Why is it a debate ? There is no right or wrong , it is what works for you , IP IS NOT A LIFE LONG DIET , it is a temporary boost…it seems the opposers, are not hearing that.
        I attended a 2 hour lecture for the program where the $50 fee was waved if you joined the program , I pick my own foods and I spend about $80 a week on IP FOODS ( saving money because I do not buy junk foods , plus !!!!!!! I Came off 3 medications) , I use real vegetables for all other eating , I keep my eye on the prize . I will be on the program for 3 months to reach my goal, the words MY GOAL , THEY DID NOT TELL ME I NEED TO WEIGH skinny pounds , they ask me and I told,them what I wanted to weigh , that is my goal …reset and get back to where I once was before an accident that left me inactive for a while and a surgery that had a down time..I am on my way back to a healthy female , with the help of IP RESETTING MY GO BUTTON!
        Eating out?????? I’m fajitas fajita , no tortilla or chips not the end of the world , feeling full and healthy , priceless” ! Try things and learn …..

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      • Those that keep harping on sustainability are missing one of the main points IP stresses to every participant, IP teaches you how to eat properly. Phase 1 is rapid weight loss, the other 3 phases ease you off their food and teach you what foods to eat in combination, when the best time is to eat certain foods. It is a Ketogenic Diet with food you can purchase through your doctor. The price is fixed for the food everything else is determined by the doctors office, Initial Fee, Weight Ins, Coaching. Usually that is one fee you pay at the beginning and that’s it. It can be negotiable depending on your doc.

        But what I am concerned about is you Diane. You say from the beginning you don’t know much about the diet and then you proceed to blast it which ok its your blog, if you want to be irresponsible that is up to you. BUT you have pages and pages of testimonials and you have scientific evidence that supports a ketogenic diet (of which IP is a vehicle not the end all of end all) for not only rapid weight loss but reversal of high blood pressure, diabetes, metabolic syndrome etc. How do you ethically keep bashing IP when it can do so much for people’s health and welfare? I would think that you put that ahead of your ego and admit you were hasty in your bashing!

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      • I wouldn’t say my occasional responses to comments constitutes continual bashing of the IP diet Cheryl. As pointed out by many others on this thread, testimonials and short-term studies are not the same as strong, unbiased, long-term results. I don’t think that weight is the only (nor the most important) indicator of health. I believe that there are healthier approaches to weight loss than that of IP. My duty as a regulated health care professional is to promote evidence-based research and to put the well being of people ahead of everything else. If people are happy and healthy on a program like IP that’s great. However, I think that people should be aware that this program is for profit and is not the be all and end all. Bashing people for “failing” at IP or for sharing their opinions is not responsible. It is also not a kind or respectful way to treat fellow humans.

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      • Completely agree with Diana. IP works for quick weight loss. Atkins works for quick weight loss. Lots of other diets work for quick weight loss. No argument at all. As Diana says, IP (and others) are for profit programs. If you feel the need to pay money in order to adhere to a diet, then it’s for you. OTOH, most people won’t alter their long term behavior whether they pay or get the advice for free. So why pay for something that will have a short term benefit, but no long term weight loss. And, of course, if you “cheat” while on IP, it’s a total waste of time and money. As to criticism, any diet that has people following it blindly and defending it like automatons is more of a cult than a diet. You don’t need to proselytize it like a religion – if it works for you, great. But why keep pushing it? Those of you who sell it, I understand. That’s your job. But it doesn’t make you any different than any other huckster pushing their product.

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      • Thanks for the support Steve!

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      • Your services are for profit too Diana. I presume you do not work for free. I would love to take a look through all the evidence based research that backs up your diet plans. Whatever they are.

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      • Actually, they’re not. I receive no money for writing this blog and my paid job is actually not for profit as well. I don’t provide diet plans either.

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      • YOU profit from your job by trading your time and skill for money and you’re not wicked for that. That was kind of a disingenuous reply.

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      • I am in no way putting people down, I help people get healthy in all kinds of ways and there are all kinds of legitimate obstacles to doing that. I had my own after loosing 91 pounds that brought me to IP. My frustration expressed above is from hearing those with closed mindsets putting down what others are finding successful. Ketogenic diets work, getting the advantages of one may be easier with IP. You don’t have to use IP and can still get all the health benefits that a ketogenic diet can give. :)

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  13. Guess I shouldn’t be surprised at the comments from the “Resident IP Shill” … too bad he doesn’t openly identify himself as being financially aligned with a product/program he promotes openly here… especially with this blog being on a site that is aligned with “HONcode standard for trustworthy health”.

    I know the individual who RUNS THIS BLOG is quite open and honest about the information she gives, after all, the intro to this blog says:

    “Don’t succumb to the allure of a company that would have you believe that you need to buy their foods to lose weight.”

    And Thanks to Diana and Emma for your thoughts- I agree that I, like many others, have to find what will work for me. My reason for posting here initially was to find others WHO HAD TRIED the ‘Protocol” and to find out how well lit worked for them… understanding the severe commitment it would require, if others had attempted it with goals similar to mine and had found it to be unsuccessful, then I was going to keep looking for another plan. However, if ACTUAL PARTICIPANTS were able to state that it had worked and the goals were achievable, I was similarly willing to give it a go.

    Sadly, the same thing happened here that has been happening on the vast majority of blogs and discussion boards where the “IP Protocol” comes up… people start posting real world experiences and when they are less than favorable, someone comes charging in wearing their “IP T-Shirt” and shoots all kinds of holes in what they’ve said and makes them out to be a loser or a malcontent.

    I don’t think those people realize (or care) they are doing a TRUE DISSERVICE to the program by doing this… their moronic and callous unsolicited comments only serve to push people who are unsure about considering it farther away.

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    • Just to clarify, Larry… I am the sole author of the blog. I do have to approve comments, but commenters have no connection to HON. Way back in this thread, Brian does disclose his association with IP. However, same as you, he is a reader and has no affiliation with my blog.

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      • Understood. My point was on EVERY blog where “The Protocol” is critiqued, there seems to be a commenter that insists on torpedoing any/all less than positive comments about it. “That person” is the one here… but it’s almost as if it’s a concerted effort by IP, as if they scour the Internet by use of a bot to crawl/find any/all comments about it and if there’s a negative one, they send “a Smith” in to shoot it down. SHAME…

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  14. What is required here is more than learning about Ideal Protein which is simply a ketogenic diet that follows the science of how the body stores and burns fat. It also addresses addiction to sugar and detoxification. On Ideal Protein you live on the calories your body needs, not 1000 calories because your body CAN access the calories in fat by reducing insulin. I know Diana means well and is an educated person but it is crystal clear to me that she is confused. And no wonder because that is the mission of the health and food industry… to confuse us all. I am happy to talk to anyone about the science behind Ideal Protein if you care to truly listen with an open mind. There’s nothing magic about Ideal Protein. It just follows the science of what a healthy body needs. And in the end you are on all your own healthy foods for life with great health, having identified food sensitivities and reversed or halted most disease processes. You cannot lose weight on hummus and crackers… the carbohydrates in both raise your insulin which is the signal to your body to store fat… if you don’t know that, you don’t know have enough information to critique any diet.

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    • I agree that there’s “nothing magic about Ideal Protein”. I beg to differ about the fact that one cannot lose weight eating hummus and crackers. One can lose weight eating anything (look at the doctor who went on the Twinkie diet). My belief is that it is best to eat minimally processed foods and adopt life-long healthy habits rather than to follow any prescribed diet.

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    • While deciphering the below quote from Joyce I proposed one question to myself. If one does not understand caloric deficit and weight loss how can one understand metabolism? Therefore, they must not be a credible source of information while using their science degree in a for profit business via sales.

      Quote: “You cannot lose weight on hummus and crackers… the carbohydrates in both raise your insulin which is the signal to your body to store fat… if you don’t know that, you don’t know have enough information to critique any diet.”

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    • Well said !!!!! Good common sense with no condiscending .

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  15. Wow, I actually read all the above comments. … I have just started the diet. Lost some pounds in the 1st 2 weeks and am very optimistic about my future. In the past I have not made any efforts towards losing weight and guess what? I did not lose weight. So trying this is positive and so far I feel GREAT. In phase 1 of IP, they do not want you to exercise and eat a certain way, …. OK, for the past 10 years I have not exercised and not ate in any thoughtful way. So for 2-3 months of not exercising and thinking about what I’m putting into my mouth can only be a good thing. I NEED to lose weight, if I don’t I may not meet my grandkids (so tells my wife). After phase 1, 2, 3 …. I will try their maintenance program for sure (phase 4). One really needs to try and experience something before criticizing it. If it does not work, guess what. I will try something else. I have failed myself and need to get back on track. By going on IP, I am researching and practicing healthier techniques than my previous 10 years. I’m seeing my doctor regularly to monitor blood levels, and plan to eat healthy and exercise like I did before I blew my knee out (exercising). Weight loss 1st, and then ensure I do not “yo-yo” back to square 1. Cost wise? I did not tack every “$” I put into my moth prior to joining, so difficult to compare, but if I don’t lose weight it won’t matter. Other healthcare cost is going to far outweigh (pun intended) the cost of the food. As my daughter put it “”diet” just means death to your old unhealthy ways”.
    I will come back from time to time and let you know how I am doing. Bottom line, if I do anything, nothing will change. Anything is better (healthier) than what I have done for the past 10 years, this is short term for long term gain (though permanent food choice changes and back to exercise). Thanks for your form. ….very therapeutic. :)

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    • Bill, unfortunately I have no control over the names that appear next to the post (they come through via email, or whatever account you use in connection to your post). I’m unable to edit or remove your name. I have approved your post anyway. If you would like it removed, please let me know.

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    • Congrats on your first two weeks, I hope it works for you, Bill.

      I agree wholeheartedly that “doing nothing” doesn’t work. I’m “doing something” now, and hoping for solid results… weeks 1-3 were good, we’ll see if it stays that way before I look elsewhere. My basic change is dropping to 1400-1800 calories, <80carbs, and <50g fat. And I'm shooting to lower those numbers over the coming consecutive weeks. The Doc suggested ramping down rather than jumping off a cliff.

      I've already (with my Dr's assistance) cut my insulin use by 60%, but my body is still adjusting to the dietary changes of primarily poultry, fish and vegetables. Still eating SOME dairy and fruit and a small amount of bread-type stuff every 2-3 days.

      Hope it works for you, I just don't think it's right for me… maybe I'll change my mind if my results are insufficient over 2-3 months.

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      • I am starting IP tomorrow. I am very excited because I have tried a lot of different things that have not worked. I have tried that “self-made” diet that you are describing in this post. Not only is it time consuming and frustrating to try to keep track of every little item….it proved to be dangerous for me. I did basically exactly what you described here in terms of protein sugar carbs fat, fat from calories and calories…and I did become very I’ll from lack of nutrition. I am excited to do IP because it will allow me to not obsess over every little calorie. As for the price, it is 190 for the first week and 84 weekly after that. I don’t know about you but I definitely spent more than 400 dollars a month on terrible food. Also about the exercising, I haven’t exercised since the immense weight gain because the last time I tried I broke my ankle because my body wasn’t used to being so heavy. I am willing to wait on beginning an exercise regimen until after some of the weight has been lost.
        The doctor who runs the program where I go explained that she had to do the program 3 times because she wasn’t willing to stay eating healthy like the program introduces. Anybody that doesn’t commit to a long term solution aND just wants the “lose 100 pounds in 3 days!” Or “make 500 dollars an hour sitting on your couch!” Solution is bound to fail. So for the people who put the weight back on after IP or weight watchers etc…..maybe they need to reassess their willingness.
        I am doing IP because I need a jumpstart on my weight loss that is overseen by a doctor, and provendors by many people I KNOW to work. Not random strangers in a commercial. I’ve tried the “just make a lifestyle change!” Suggestion and for me that does not work. I need more guidance in the beginning if I am indeed going to change for the long-term.
        Good luck with your counting calories, carbs, etc.

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      • I hope it works for you, but it’s (obviously) not for me. The one thing you and others mention about justifying the price “it’s a lot less than I spend on horrible food” isn’t an issue for me. I eat the majority of my meals at home, so I’m not my worst enemy in that regard.
        By paying attention to what I eat, making smarter choices, walking and doing some upper body weights, I’m down nearly 80 pounds and did it on my own.
        I had my knee replacement in August, completed rehab and PT for that, and during those 3 LONG months, dropped another 12 pounds. NOW, with being able to walk more (nearly pain free), I expect to see even further losses.
        The moral of the story for me at least, do whatever works for you… If you need a coach, packaged food, and someone else’s program… So be it.

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    • Billy, congrats on taking a life changing step! I am a physician and I also operate an Ideal protein clinic with great results. The system always works if you work the system. One comment I’d like to share about exercise. At the most recent ideal protein clinical guidelines meeting I attended this summer the medical team announced an adjustment to the exercise guidelines. As long as you keep your hear rate in the “fat burn zone” Ideal protein dieters are free to exercise. To calculate your maximum heart rate the equation is 221-your age x .85 = maximum heart rate. It’s a great idea to begin to incorporate a small exercise pattern. It will help you lose the weight even faster, strengthen your heart and hopefully will foster a life long habit! Best of luck!

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  16. I went on the IP diet a little over a year ago. I lost 50 pounds and have kept it off. It is a lifestyle change; I got thin so I wanted to stay thin. A few pounds did creep back on so I cut out the naughty carbs and the pounds went away. Is just staying fat and unhappy the healthier choice than going ultra low calorie for a few months? Since I lost the weight, all of my medical numbers are better and I look better. My guess is the author doesn’t battle with weight and her issues with food.

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    • Congratulations on achieving your weight loss goals, Liz. I would just like to state that being overweight, and losing weight, is not necessary for one to be competent to assist others with weight management.

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      • Necessary to be competent? Perhaps not, but you lack the psychological background of someone who has already walked in the footsteps of others trying to lose weight. The best way to model success is to learn from someone who has already accomplished what you wish to achieve. Kind of like trying to learn to quit drinking from someone who never had a drinking problem.

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      • Personally, I would rather take advice from a professional who is well-versed in scientific evidence. Lived experience can be useful for relating; however, there is no “one size fits all” approach to weight management. This means that what works for one person may not work for another. It is not necessary to have experienced cancer to be an excellent oncologist, have mental illness to be a great psychiatrist. The same holds for dietitians and the many food-related conditions we help people with.

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      • Sugar fuels cancer and releases the fat storing hormone called insulin. Don’t eat sugar. Sugar = Bad

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  17. Wow, Ok here is my 2 cents. I think all diets work if YOU work them. And losing weight sometimes is the easier part. Keeping it off is the harder part. I did IP 2 years ago and lost 30 lbs. Size 10 to now a size 4. What I like about this program is that I did enjoy the foods. OF course not every single one of them but at least 8 out of 10. Now, I loved the ease of the program. It only took me 3 months. I was NOT hungry and nor did I lose muscle mass. It went up each week. Now what makes this program special is that you are weaned off and during the entire diet you comunicate with your coach on healty food choices. You ARE allowed to go out to eat! You just have to choose according to the plan. Now that I am done, I have my cheat day once a week, but all the other days, I eat how YOU are suppose to eat! Whole grains, nuts , fruits, beans etc. IF you don’t make the lifestyle change then it isn’t worth doing ANY brand of diet! You will gain all the weight back. Duhhhhhh. The most important thing is to choose a diet that works for you. IP does work! Follow it correctly and most of all live the life and excercise. It truly is all about what goes in! Simple science 101. This is not Rocket science. And just remeber you gained the weight over a time period. It also will come off over a time period.

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  18. Few weeks into the IP plan now and down 20 pounds. … Feeling great and doc is happy. Already I think about food in a totally different way. Walking dog “briskly” regularly.
    Hey Diana, re; “being overweight, and losing weight, is not necessary for one to be competent to assist others with weight management.” … True statement, and I have no problems with your opinion … However, I believe it is easier to relate to others when you have been through similar experiences. To have truly been in their “shoes” ….
    Now don’t go getting yourself over weight, to loose weight, to relate …. LOL …. enjoy your posts. Cheers

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  19. I went on IP a year ago, lost 50 pounds within 5 months and since have kept it all off. Instead of just stopping the program, which a lot of people do, I gradually adjusted what I was eating in order to let my pancreas adjust. I’m not eating healthy, regular foods. I do not intend on gaining the weight back, but if I see that I am starting to I will cut back on carbs. The only products I used of IP was the shakes and occassionally a bar. I drank 2 shakes per day, had a bar, and ate my own cooked protein and veggies. The program taught me to cook good foods, which I did not do before. It also taught me to eat veggies that I would not have done so otherwise. My cost? $80 a week and I was willing to pay it for the results. I’m grateful to Ideal Protein. Whatever works for your individual body and lifestyle, go for it. But stop with the hate on a program that has helped a ton of people. Peace.

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  20. I struggled so hard lost a half a lb to a lb. per week…my body lost all of it’s tone, my derrier was as flat as a pancake, but the weight did come off. I then went on a 4 day cruise…but not eating too much…..alll of the weight came back…but now I had no muscle tone. I am in menopause, part of it is just hormones….but now working out with a trainer…still kind of fat but at least the fat looks more toned.

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  21. Well seeing as this thread is becoming active again AND seeing as I’m the one in the most recent past that asked a ton of questions and started somewhat of a furor for “paying attention to the man behind the curtain”, I figured I should report in.

    I DID NOT decide to “join the Protocol”, for a few reasons, most of them cited before in the questions I asked and received primarily rhetorical and “cut-and-paste” answers to and largely, because of the cost.

    I DID look into a few other “Programs” offered locally through clinics and two through Hospitals, and found their prices to be quite similar and the regimen similarly restrictive “eat OUR food and/or meal replacements and take OUR supplements, ONLY” and much of the cost of the programs were in these aspects, not the education or monitoring.

    Instead, with what I learned here and through other sources, and comparing the commonalities of what was offered once you get to a certain point, I worked with my Doctor and Endocrinologist and came up with my own “daily food regimen” and am having very positive results.

    After a week (at my Doctor’s suggestion) of “slowly ramping down”, for the past 3 weeks, I’m eating <70g carbs per day (nearly half of that is fruit) and <50g of fat per day, and I'm averaging 1200 calories a day. My insulin use has decreased by more than 60%, and I've lost 16 pounds. (3#, 5#, 5#, 3# on successive weeks).

    Breakfast has been egg white and veggie scrambles, fresh fruit and a salad with balsamic; Lunch is steamed and/or raw vegetables, a salad, fresh fruit and 4-6ox of lean protein (chicken or fish mainly); Dinners are steamed and/or raw vegetables, a LARGE salad and 4-6ox of lean protein (chicken, beef or fish). OCCASIONALLY I may have a 1/4c or dried fruit or nuts in the evening, but not often. I intend to wean myself off the fruit, thereby lowering the carb intake a bit further…. which should increase the ketosis.

    I'm NOT feeling hungry, I'm missing things like bread, pasta, potatoes and rice the most… and fruit. Typically during the summer months, I eat a lot of stone fruits , berries and melon… so I'm definitely missing those. And I have eaten bread twice, a sour french dinner roll, but I am religiously logging everything I eat, so the two days with 'spikes' are apparent. AND I've eaten at restaurants twice, but maintained the regimen established in both cases…

    And one of the big hurdles? My birthday was during this period of time and there was no cake, pie or other dessert… instead, I had 4 slices of bacon to celebrate =)

    So that's my story and I'm stickin' to it. I'm in this to win, there is no backing out… I'm working on creative ways to avoid the boredom with the menus now (a big challenge is preparing and packing food for the work week for breakfasts and lunches) , and hoping not to hit any plateaus in the near future.

    And so far? I'm finding this "Ideal"

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    • Way to go Larry! Even though you are a completely obnoxious individual I really do wish the best for your life and health :D

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      • Thanks a lot Brian…. after all it takes one to know one. XD

        Besides, as you told someone else (after directly insulting and attempting to demoralize me here, see your post on August 11, 2014 at 11:19 pm)

        ” I am a physician and I also operate an Ideal protein clinic with great results.”

        So likewise, “Doc”… I wish you the best.

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  22. I haven’t read all of the comments here, but I did want to share my own IP experience. I lost 76 pounds on IP over 9 months. It was a tough, but easy diet to follow, and I’m so grateful to have lost that weight. HOWEVER, there are drawbacks. When I asked my “coach” about how I would maintain my diet once it was over, the response I got was “You’ll know how to eat.” I’m sorry, but what I was being trained to do was eat an unbalanced diet devoid of things like fruit, bread, dairy, sugar, and even some vegetables. Permanently deleting these foods from your diet isn’t realistic or even healthy. Since going off the IP diet 6 months ago, I’ve gained about 4 pounds back. But I’m still on a diet. I’m eating slightly more then I did on IP, but far less than most people I know. I don’t mind watching what I eat, but I feel like if I were to just eat normally, I would balloon. I wish IP taught new healthy habits apart from abstaining from the majority of foods! Maybe I had a bad coach, because I don’t feel informed on how I should eat going forward – aside from continuing to follow a version of the IP diet, which is a DIET not a lifestyle change.

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    • Did you complete the Ideal Protein diet? If you quit before losing the weight and going through the phases to get back to a healthy diet you can pretty much bet you will gain back the weight. When you go through all the phases you are learning how to eat healthy so what your coach told you was right, you WILL know how to eat when you get to maintanance.

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  23. I did the Ideal Protein diet two years ago at the advice of my Integrative Medicine physician (who also sells the products). I lost 40 lbs. in 3.5 months, after struggling for a long time to lose weight. I felt fabulous and swore I would never be back to my old weight.

    Two years later I regained all the weight I lost.

    I found the diet highly restrictive and got really sick of the products. Also, when I caught on that I could buy whey protein at a much more affordable price (also 100% grass fed) my doctor’s office threatened to charge me a hefty consultation fee if I didn’t buy their products. Also, you can buy much better supplements (multi-vitamin, magnesium, potassium) at better prices than what they offer.

    I think if you are significantly overweight, there is a skewed relationship with food at play that needs to be addressed, otherwise you’ll continue to fall prey to these expensive diet programs that do not solve the real problem – just make money for the sellers.

    I have since learned that removing or drastically restricting calories or entire macronutrients did not solve my weight problem. Eating when I’m hungry and stopping when I’m full.. eating whole foods… and being present while I eat is the only way to permanently lose weight. It’s not a magic bullet and it’s very slow but is something I can deal with – one meal at a time.

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    • Lisa, ideal protein clearly worked for you but you failed the maintenance program. You must change your lifestyle or you’ll gain weight back no matter how you lost it. The ideal protein foods are excellent, complete protein servings and the vitamins are excellent ecapsulated powders for maximum bioavailability. If you can find better protein and vitamins cheaper and motivate yourself to lose and maintain weight on your own then by all means do so. Not sure what the point of your post is. Your personal experience is noted but it doesn’t detract from the quality and success of the ideal protein method.

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      • This could be another thread, but I am very curious. How much are people paying per week for this program? My first week was $120, then $160. . . Same amount of food…my rep has put me on a ‘deal’ where I pay $150 a week and that includes all supplements….just seems odd to me. any thoughts?

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      • That’s sounds very high to me. We charge a one time $135 consult fee then $4.10/ meal x 21 per week = $86.10. Add in the cost of the vitamins ($30,$25,$25,$10.50 per mo) = 22.62/wk = $108.72/wk total at our office.

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      • Thank you for the reply, are you in the United States?

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      • Ok, thanks, I’m in Canada, but I still think that’s a large gap. I will speak with my consultant this week.

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      • There is no fixed pricing from ideal protein. Clinic owners are free to charge what they like. I don’t think it will get you anywhere. You could call around and price out other clinics if there is another near you.

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      • Brian –

        The point of my post was obvious: to give another point of view and share my experience.

        Without knowing me you determined that I “failed maintenance”. Perhaps, but I would say that most people cannot sustain such a restrictive diet that is so low in calories long enough to make it to maintenance.

        I would invite anyone considering this plan to use your money to buy high quality whole, organic foods instead and visit a registered dietician who doesn’t push products. This is what I ended up doing and I’ve lost the weight -much more slowly but in a manner I know I can sustain for life.

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    • Learning from others’ first-hand experiences is very helpful; thank you much for sharing, Lisa. Reading the repetitive input by those selling the products is not so helpful.

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  24. Update … almost 2 months in on Ideal Protein program (Oct. 11th would be 2 months) and down 42 lbs.
    Only time will tell for me, however, I believe I have received a new education on food and (like others) believe I will keep it off. I still have more weight to “release” ….
    I feel the education to keep it off is more than available through IP. It will REALLY be up to me to stick with it.
    With success on phase 1, I have no reason to doubt the other 3 phases will also work out.
    I will continue to keep you up to date. Proof is in the “pudding” !!!!
    Cheers and Happy Thanksgiving this weekend to the Canadians out there (could be a tough day all by itself). :)

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  25. Guess I’ll chime in with an update as well… I’m 7weeks in now, and as mentioned before, I’m NOT ON ANY Protocol, I’m on a self managed and designed plan.

    I’m eating <65g carbs (abt 25g of that is fruit), 90g of protein and I’m averaging 1200 calories a day. My insulin use has decreased by more than 60%, and I’ve lost 25 pounds (3, 5, 5, 3, 2, 2, 5 on successive weeks).

    No meal replacements, no packaged protein supplements, and I’m charting and logging everything I’m eating. The best part for me is I’m educating myself as I’m going and changing how I think about food. And I don’t feel deprived- I had bacon one day, I’ve had french bread twice… even a BAGEL once , so without those diversions (and if I were to eliminate fruits entirely) I could PROBABLY be 5# ahead of where I am, but tit’s not a sprint… it’s a marathon.

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    • Larry and Billy,

      I’m so glad to hear that you’re both doing well and experiencing success. I hope that you will continue to do so.

      I love that my blog post has brought so many people together to discuss their experiences. I think that if we take anything away from this discussion it should be that supporting each other no matter what program someone is (or isn’t on) is the most important thing we can do. Also, there is no one size fits all approach to weight loss.

      Thanks again for the updates. I really enjoy them!

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  26. Hey everyone,
    Where is the cheapest and friendliest atmosphere and friendly coaches in the central region? Thanks.
    Vanessa

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  27. Update … down 50 lbs now …. just saying … woo hoo …. not too much further now ….
    Sorry Vanessa, I do not know (I’m out of Alberta). Try on line ….

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  28. Most likely your friends and family are too afraid to tell you, but you should stop doing this blog. And I use the word doing because your writing is awful.

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  29. Update, Nov. 19th, Going off Phase 1, and into Phase 2. Have reached my goal of 65 lb weight loss.
    The key now is to maintain the weight loss. I go into phase 2 for 2 weeks, then into phase 3 for 2 weeks, then into Phase 4 for the rest of my life. So far this plan is IDEAL for me.

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  30. I’ll update too… started my “Modified Eating Program” about the same time as Billy and without the use of any packaged foods or other additives, I’m down 30#.

    Had a couple of weeks that were “flat” (no weight loss) and one week where I put 2# back on, but then this week… a 3# loss again. So I haven’t plateaued, but I am planning to switch up my menu again.

    And no cheating, but a few days that I have eaten bread and a few days where I ate relatively normal foods, but logged everything I ate and got right back on it.

    Good luck on your next “Phases” Billy… are you keeping track of the costs for your program? Just curious how much you’re into it for.

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  31. Diana, thank you for posting such a practically- minded article, but you may laugh that it’s actually Brian’s comments that talked me out of doing IP even more than your article! I was considering IP on the recommendation of my doctor (who sells the plan) but nothing is more terrifying than reading the somewhat cultish rants of a shill. I’d be willing to bet “Brian” was involved in MLMs before doing IP. That’s not the kind of plan/people I want to be involved with!
    @Larry – many congrats on your self-motivation and discipline and appreciate the updates!

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    • Thanks for your comment Amy. Best of luck with your journey. You may want to check out my review of The Diet Fix. That might be a useful book for you to figure out the diet that will work best for you.

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    • Awww…THANK YOU AmyKatlyn for the kind words =)

      I’m glad I’m not the only one who ‘saw the man behind the curtain’

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      • You “saw the man behind the curtain” eh? What a laugh!! What actually happened is you met somebody here (me) who tried to help you become informed about ideal protein even though I had nothing to gain from it. Then you lashed at me with sarcasm. You are “seeing your own cynicism behind the curtain”.
        Is ideal Protein the “best” diet? No such thing. Is it an excellent option for thousands? Of course it is, which is why it’s exploding and medical doctors refer to their patients to it.

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    • I proudly sell the ideal protein method and we have hundreds of clients reaching and maintaining their weight goals in my clinic. No diet works for everybody so I’m glad I was able to steer you away from a program that doesn’t suit you. Good luck!

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      • IP is like any other company, they are there to make money and to up sell you. If you have a great rep, they will help you to save some money and not try to push more sales….oddly enough, I send as many as possible to my rep because of her integrity. I’ve been on for 3 months and lost almost 70lbs. It has worked for me, by body time and my metabolism. I would encourage real research into what the program is and does and consult your doctor to see if it’s the right or ‘ideal’ choice.

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      • Any diet can work in the short term —especially if you’re eating less than 1000 calories a day. People investigating this or any diet plan should be asking their rep to show them hard data on the percentage of their patients who have kept their weight off 2+ years after completing their weight loss (and have gone back to eating real food). A good diet plan will have good numbers to share… that is the real proof.

        Of course, they will all tell you that it’s not the diet plan’s fault – that the person didn’t adhere to the plan. Is never about the plan….the fact that it is too restrictive…doesn’t set the user up for long term success, etc.

        My advice… be very careful, and consider that it’s most likely about repeat business, folks.

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      • Every time you snidely reply to one of my posts, Brian… you only serve to further discredit yourself as a ‘professional’.

        Once on this forum you identified yourself as a “physician”, yet for some reason, you never include your full name or your designation after your name.

        No, it’s not my ‘cynicism’ that I’m seeing, it’s your continued desire to annoy me every time I say anything here.

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      • I’m responding to you because yet again you are hurling sarcasm towards me. “Man behind the curtain”. You are a complete moron Larry. There is no hidden agenda with ideal protein. It’s a service that you can pay for and it works very well IF you chose to use it. I just refuse to let misinformation and ignorance about a great program slip by.

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      • Looks a little heated on the thread boys! Larry- I don’t think any dietitians will call you a moron and I can only speak for myself but I can guess that the owner of the blog would say congrats on finding a program that works for you. I personally hope you keep setting small achievable goals and you enjoy your different lifestyle.

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      • @ Louie, not all 1000 cal diets are healthy or safe. Ideal protein is. The maintenance program is practical and sustainable but people have to be willing to permanently change their relationship with food which is always an imposing task. It requires guidance, knowledge and inspiration. It IS always people who fail eating programs since nobody forces anybody to eat. It’s a choice.
        Ideal Protein is a business. It’s not evil to be a business and make money. EVERY business would like repeat business. Your dentist, doctors, grocers, utility companies, restaurants, etc. all would like your repeat business.
        Your comment implies that ideal protein is “only in it for the money” and not exchanging something of real value. That’s would be wrong. IP clinics make money by offering a valuable service.

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  32. “You are a complete moron Larry.”

    As I said, EVERY TIME you bother to respond, you further discredit yourself “Doctor” Brian.

    And I’m ‘just responding to you’ because I refuse to allow your argumentum ad hominem attacks to go by.

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  33. There are some pretty intense emotions and opinions on this page!

    Larry and Brian, i would like to comment as an ordinary citizen, with no ties to Ideal Protein other than that I have been on the program since the beginning of September. I am in Canada. My coach is a trusted pharmacist in our small town. The first consultation was $250 and included a week of products and all the supplements. Each week, I get weighed and my measurements are taken and any questions I have are answered. My coach is fantastic. He did the program himself and was successful and has been successful at maintaining his weight loss. I have several friends that have successfully maintained their weight loss as well, over a year after finishing their weight loss phases.

    I have struggled with my weight my entire life. I am now 53 yrs old. I have done a multitude of programs including Weight Watchers, Nutri System, and low calorie diets. I lost weight on every program, but I did not keep it off. It was not because I didn’t know how to eat properly–I know exactly how to eat properly. My problem is I love food–and I love junk food–and all my hobbies are sedentary.

    My weight was out of control and I started having knee problems. I could not exercise. I have been on the Ideal Protein system for 13 weeks and have lost 50 lbs and over 20 inches overall. I am NOT hungry, and on every other ‘diet’ I was always starving.
    I have more energy than ever before. My knee is much improved. I have a long way to go–I need to lose another 110 lbs. I am more confident than ever that I can do this, this time. Whether or not I keep the weight off will be up to me and not the program itself–I know that in Phase 4 I will get all the support and training that I need–I already know how I should eat and that I should exercise–I don’t need any program to teach me that, I need to get that into my head and make the commitment to good health.

    This program is working for me. I feel great. It is expensive, but there are alternative programs online if you cannot afford the products. I have NO DOUBT whatsoever that the Ideal Protein packets have exceptional protein sources and are fully balanced–because never in my life could I have eaten a small bowl of oatmeal and felt full all the way until lunchtime, the way I do now when I eat the Ideal Protein oatmeal.

    In my case, as a friend told me, “you can’t afford NOT to do this”. As Brian said, it will not work for everyone. Nothing works for everyone. Obviously, knowing that I should be eating healthy food and exercising was not working for me, because I wasn’t doing it!! I AM DOING IDEAL PROTEIN and it is easy for me to follow and it is working.

    I feel good. I feel healthy. I look better. My family is proud of me and I am proud of myself. I know I have a long way to go, but for the first time in a lot of years, I have confidence that I can get there and that I have the support I need to maintain this once I reach my goal.

    My coach is wonderful and I have faith in him and in this program.

    You asked for a “real” opinion by someone who is doing the program. This is as real as it gets.

    I think it is a shame that Diana feels the need to trash this program. It works. It is not unhealthy. I know that all the support and coaching I will need will be there for me longterm. It will be up to me to take advantage of this support and the responsibility will be ALL MINE.

    I am a highly educated person–I have 2 university degrees including a doctorate. I have my own business. I do not enter into anything without researching it fully. It is a mistake to ‘trash’ this program. It is a life saver for many people and it is working for me.

    If you have not been as fortunate as I and have not found a reputable coach, that’s a shame.

    Brian: I am very grateful that I have found Ideal Protein and that is is something I feel I can maintain. I did not become overweight overnight and I will not lose the weight overnight, but as I lose, I am realizing that so much of this journey is in attitudes toward food! I am learning NOT to use food as a reward and a celebration, and not to think of the menu as the very first thing to plan when planning a get together. We focus on food SO MUCH for every social occasion!! I am working hard to get past that.

    We eat out a lot–and I have learned to make healthy choices in restaurants that adhere to Ideal Protein protocols!
    It is possible to do it. It is imperative that I do it.

    I hope my words help someone.

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    • Thanks for sharing your experience so far Julie. Just to clarify, this is my personal blog. I am a registered dietitian, I am not looking for a weight loss program of any sort.

      The original post expresses my opinion about a prescriptive weight loss program. The comments have somehow morphed into an IP discussion group. I’m happy to host it so that others can benefit through sharing their experiences with each other.

      I hope that you continue to experience success in your journey.

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  34. I love it when people argue about what you should and should not do in these diets and how people are brainwashed without listening to their own body’s. I think its all about balance and in that balance your body will reward you with it’s own balance, if a person is truly on a good program your body will maintain a weight that it wants and it will affect you physically, and emotionally which these diets do not sell, they sell weight loss and that’s it, they do not promote balance and overall health and nutrition. We live in a very commercial world and these diet companies prey on the desperate and weak. A healthy life is all about common sense. It does not make sense to eat crackers full of chemicals and pills full of more chemicals cause that just leads to a chemical filled body, people should listen to their bodies a little bit more and get back to eating real food, and the only thing that is keeping people from loosing weight is the people themselves and a tad bit of disipline . I am working with a couple people on the ideal diet and all I see from it is desperation and tiredness and a brainwashed attitude that this works and nothing else will and in reality they do not feel that great and will yes loose weight but overall end up less healthy. It all comes down to the cricket on your shoulder and it will tell you before you eat something that maybe this is unhealthy and everyone knows it but they choose to let other people make their decisions for them cause no one seems to want to take responsability for their own health and wellness. You only get one chance at life one body and that’s it so once a person puts that on top of their priority lists maybe they can change without paying someone or even listening to what anybody says cause this is something everyone knows. If you are truly healthy you will feel it and people will notice it……….it is not about being skinny, being skinny is your body’s way of telling you that your sick and once people realize that it’s about being healthy and putting the right things into their mouths then not only their figure but their lives in every aspect will change……

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    • “I think its all about balance and in that balance your body will reward you with it’s own balance”

      2/3 americans are overweight or obese. Americans are completely out of touch with proper nutritional balance. They need education and guidance to find any kind of balance.

      “If a person is truly on a good program your body will maintain a weight that it wants and it will affect you physically, and emotionally which these diets do not sell, they sell weight loss and that’s it, they do not promote balance and overall health and nutrition.”

      Your as wrong as the author of this blog. Ideal proteins mission is teaching people to live a lifestyle of truly healthy eating to maintain weight and health for a lifetime and to be able to teach that lifestyle to children. We sell a lot more than weight loss.

      “I am working with a couple people on the ideal diet and all I see from it is desperation and tiredness and a brainwashed attitude that this works and nothing else will.”

      You’re simply imposing your strawman version of what you think ideal protein is. Ideal protein IS NOT for everybody. No diet is for everybody. Ideal protein is a weight loss method that will work 100% of the time to achieve weight loss and maintain that weight loss while maintaining a persons health in the process for those who do it. There is no brainwashing nonsense. There is only solid education and professional clinical guidance.

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  35. I will start IP soon!! Have been reading a lot about the pros and cons… and have made my decision to do it. I’m hoping to lose 30 pounds and also plan to keep it off. The relationship people have with food is very personal and sometimes folks are skeptical about certain plans. Just in recent history has so much emphasis been placed on nutrition because of obesity and so many people diagnosed diabetes, high BP, etc…. Our progress and evolution has come with a hefty price tag. The processed foods with all the salt and sugar is killing us. We used to have to hunt for food and that food supply had to last for days.
    I don’t think our bodies, metabolically, are designed to consume so much “bad” food daily. Prehistorically, man did not have a grocery store or a fast food restaurant in every corner. A lot of people are seduced by a dollar menu, and food that you can “inhale” within a 30 minute lunchtime. Then we are seduced to sit down on a couch and watch one of 500 channels on TV, or keep in touch with friends and family on Facebook while our kids play games on the Ipad. Physical activity is limited to our jaws and fingers!! It’s all so wrong on so many levels. There’s no simple answer… but maybe there can be…. Remember when cigarette ads were allowed everywhere? Can we not pressure the “powers that be” to pressure the big food manufacturers to quit poisoning us? Yeah, we all like our freedom to choose… but certain freedoms come with a very “hefty” price tag… Pun intended.

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    • It works, I’m down 75 in 3 months. But I think any plan that is so calorie restrictive will have you losing weight. The difference for me is that it’s easy, half the work is done for you. I still have 60 lbs to go and expect to be off the program by April. Just stick to it,

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  36. Update -Ideal Protein (IP). Down 65-70 lbs in 4 months. (in maintenance Phase 4 for a month now). From Alberta, Canada.
    My Doctor is ecstatic with my health. Off my CPAP machine (for sleep apnea). On minimal high blood pressure meds. Have a new view of food.
    Without question, the work begins now …. to keep the weight off. I believe Ideal Protein has provided me with the education I need to keep the weight off. However, its up to me and only me, to stay educated and motivated to stay healthy.
    If someone would like to loose weight, I would recommend IP, its not for everyone, but it works. That’s all I can really tell you.
    When I 1st approached my doctor after loosing 30 lbs. on the program, he said “Sure, I could criticize the program on a micro scale, however your weigh loss far out weighs any perceived negatives of the program”
    No negatives required to describe IP. Do your homework, make your own decision and good luck to whatever you choose.
    Will update my weight maintenance in the future.

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    • Billy that is fantastic news! It never ceases to amaze me how fast people’s lives can change with this program. You deserve a lot of credit for your commitment. Keep it up an good luck in maintenance!

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  37. Hello Diana..
    My Wife just came home from a ip introduction meeting to see what it was all about. The overall cost is expensive, then they want you to buy supplements and food through them ! Yeah you will lose weight but anybody can lose weight by cutting out carbs and calories. Seems like a marketing scam to me.

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  38. I not only have lost 155 lbs on this, after years of struggling, but I have kept it off, am healthier than I have ever been, I eat carbohydrates in moderation and ensure that they are healthy carbohydrates avoiding processed foods and added sugars. I was referred for bariatric surgery and this saved me. It is the best thing I have ever done, it was way cheaper than any other plan out there for the results and my Doctor says I am healthier than I was at 25. (I am double that now.) When done the plan you eat your own food and they teach you what, how and how much including planning for treats. I really get upset when people who do not know the science, the doctors, the medical panel and the development of this, as well as the fact that it has been around for 30+ years, discount it without know anything. I saw a registered dietician for a long time and their Canada Food Plan guide only made me fatter. I preserved my muscle mass on IP as this is one of the benefits of the plan and when people say it is low calorie it is because they know nothing about the science of burning fat and are limited by their “book” konwledge. I was checked regularly by my physician and overseen by a medical professional and now I have an active, full and healthy life that was not available to me previously no matter how much effort and money I put in. I once paid a personal trainer $700 per month and in 6 months only lost 9 lbs. IP works, it’s safe and healthy, people I know with diabetes no longer have diabetes and as long as you change your lifestyle after, you will succeed. You must change however or it will only be like any other diet where you regain the weight because you went back to your own destructive patterns.

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    • This is such an awesome and common IP success story. I’m so happy for you!!
      I do wish Diana would consider deleting the misinformation she is publicly putting forth in this blog post.

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      • Brian, if I deleted my blog post this entire discussion would also disappear.

        I stand by my opinion. However, I am happy to continue to allow people to comment on my post and contribute to the discussion regardless of their opinions.

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  39. Opinions are one thing, results are another …..

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  40. I really need this program but I have food allergies to wheat and eggs and dairy. Do u think there will be enough products for me to eat on ip?

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  41. Gina, food allergies will not be a problem on the Ideal Protein. Keep in mind, this is a very restrictive program,
    however, there is NO requirement to consume wheat, egg and dairy. (you can if you choose, but not required to)
    Once your are through the weight loss portion, you slowly go back to what you were eating in the past. Well, sort of …. what you ate in the past allow you to gain weight. So, you will return to “normal” food, in a healthy balance.
    This program is about education that allows you to make the right choices. (I have lost 65-70 lbs on IP and keeping it off, granted only been 2 months now).
    Best to do your research and maybe visit one of the IP offices near you.
    Hope this helps.

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  42. Hi Gina –

    I did Ideal Protein and had to navigate carefully given my food sensitivities. I’d say about a third of the foods are gluten free and are marked as such, but most contain gluten and almost all contain whey so if you’re allergic to dairy, this may or may not be a deal-breaker for you.

    I hope this helps.

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  43. I did the Ideal Protein for 4 months and lost 50 lbs. I have been on maintenance for 7 months and have not gained a pound yet. I actually lost a few more pounds in maintenance. I had a great coach that suggested the right types of food to eat in maintenance. I have a cheat day once a week and i don’t hold back on those days. There is a certain process you follow after a cheat day and I can tell you it works. Ip maintenance is very clear on the type of food combinations to eat. If you stick to that concept you will not gain weight. Of course you need to be conscience of caloric amounts for you to maintain current weight and eat the right amounts of the correct foods with the correct combination to maintain your weight. There is a science behind this diet and for me it works. I have tried many other diets and they were not sustainable. Ip is working for me for me. I know i will never regain the weight if I follow the protocol..

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  44. I have lost 50 pounds on Ideal Protein since September. As a 64 year old woman who has tried every diet out there, and who, up until I started IP had extremely high blood pressure, I am extremely happy with my results and my new health profile. I also had had two knee replacements and was starting to have some pain again. I was getting concerned that if I didn’t lose weight I’d be needing another knee replacement soon. Now: my blood pressure is down, my sleep apnea is gone, my knees no longer hurt and I’m almost to my goal. Right now I’m slimmer than I’ve been at any time since the 1970s. I believe in the value of a low carb diet and had previously lost weight on Atkins. What I am liking about the IP diet is the support of the coach and the food. Believe it or not, I am really enjoying my meals. This morning I had a bowl of IP maple oatmeal that is delicious and will keep me satisfied until lunch. For lunch I’ll have the IP cheese and brocolli soup along with additional brocolli and cauliflower and a big salad. For dinner I’ll have my regular meal – 8 oz of salmon with vegetables. And before bed I’ll have my snack of the much maligned but very tasty dill zippers and a diet orange soda. I’m never hungry. I enjoy my food. I”m losing. I did not advertise that I was on IP but as I lost weight rapidly people started asking and enquiring about the lunches they saw me enjoying every day, and now four other people have joined and are just as satisfied as I am.

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    • As a former trainer and pro athlete I find ideal protein to be very alarming that it is being peddled by doctors.

      Weight loss vs not be maintained without lifestyle changes..this is just another cheap gimmick to prey on the hopes of the obese to lose weight without any hard work..

      The people praising this prodict either are selling it or are paid reviewers..not all but most..

      Rapid weight loss is never a good idea it should be done slowly 1pound at a time over an extended period.

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      • Thanks for weighing in Adam. I have been wondering how many of the “pro” comments on this post are from people peddling IP.

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      • Not many Diana, much to your dismay. If you had any sense you’d diversify into a wildly successful and healthy program like ideal protein to serve more people.

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      • Adam, ideal protein is actually a MEDICAL weight loss protocol with a weight loss phase and a maintenance lifestyle phase. So it shouldn’t suprise you that MDs endorse ideal protein. It’s not a quick fix and is not presented as such. With the epidemic of obesity and diabetes in the United States, isn’t any weight loss and maintenance protocol that offers personal support a huge step in the right direction in this sick, sick world? Your comment of course comes from ignorance.

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  45. Adam and Diana, for the record I do not peddle IP. I joined the program 50lbs overweight, lost it and am maintaining it with the information provided by IP eating real food now and some exercise. It is amazing to me that you are bashing a program that you have very little information about it. I personally and wholeheartedly endorse this program. They definitely coach you on lifestyle changes as you get closer to maintenance phase. I do not feel they prey on the obese. We all have a choice to change our bad eating habits or not. The ones that don’t want to change will regain the weight. The one’s that do will be successful. It’s not the program that failed it’s the participant. If the concepts and protocol are followed the diet is sustainable. Yes, it takes work.

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  46. OK, Adam …. REALLY …. insulting …. I am not selling the product, but simply have gone through the program and reported back as it has happened. The weight loss is real. The key is to keep it off. Yes, I do not believe one wants to be in ketosis for any longer than they have to. Ketosis is ONLY for weight loss. After that, its a balanced eating program that even Diana would approve.
    And yes, its about life style changes, huge …… and all that is explained (if you read or go though the program you will understand).
    One needs to fully read the WHOLE program (if not experience it) before slamming it.
    Please inform yourself (selves), prior to displaying your ignorance.

    Oh by the way, please do explain the problem with the “fast” weight loss, I have read a lot but (apparently) not enough to fully understand why it is so bad with this technique.
    Slow weight loss can be demotivating, and have you not get to your goals. I off my CPAP and meds.

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    • Billy, it is annoying reading painfully ignorant comments about ideal protein from those who have no idea how well thought out the program actually is. It also shouldn’t surprise you that poor blog posts like this exist. In their defense however, their IS a lot of scam supplements and bad diets out there that over promise and under deliver. Fortunately, in the market of free ideas the free market wins. Ideal protein is growing and winning with each success story it creates. Keep spreading the word!

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      • ” ….It also shouldn’t surprise you that poor blog posts like this exist….”

        Right, because if it doesn’t agree with your ‘opinion’, it’s a poor blog post.

        The poor blog posts are the ones that only provide one view on a topic, which is what I found on 10 or 12 other blogs addressing this product. I couldn’t get any objective information, which is why I started posting on this thread. I asked my early questions on all of the others and no one would give any information other than how wonderful it was… nothing like the flow of free information =)

        “C’mon down, spend your $400+ and in 7 months, you’ll (maybe) drop 100 pounds, but your mileage MAY vary”

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  47. I too lost a lot of weight on Ideal Protein. I lost 76 pounds in about a year. It was a very workable weight loss program for me. That said, I feel like maintenance has been really, really rough. I’ve been on maintenance for 10 months and in that time, I’ve gained back 7 pounds. Granted, 3 of those were over the holidays, but I can’t seem to shake them. Here’s my complaint: when I reached my goal I wasn’t given any advice or guidance on how to conduct maintenance. I was basically told, “Now you know how to eat.” Well, no. The Ideal Protein diet is full of powdered whey packets, no fruit or root vegetables, little to no sugar, fat or carbs. It’s just not realistic, or even healthy in the long run, to not incorporate a full range of foods in a diet. I’m very frustrated by reading some people on this board report that maintenance is working for them and they’ve been able to eat a more normal diet. I don’t think I got the same information from my IP provider. I feel like I’m still on a very, very strict diet just to maintain this loss.

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    • Hi Wayne, I guess with anything you get good and bad. I must have been fortunate to have a great coach. I like to offer some advice. First use the myfitnesspal app. Find out the calories you need to consume to maintain your weight based on height, weight, and activity level. Track all food you eat. Eliminate the processed wheat from your diet. If you have access to a health food store buy Ezekiel 4:9 sprouted grain breads and cereals. Follow the protocol. Do not mix carbs and fats for lunch or dinner (this is major). Eat like a king for breakfast, Queen for lunch and pauper for dinner. 500 calories should be consumed at breakfast. The rest of the day stay within you limits (MyFitnesspal) will help you. The day after your cheat day, you must do phase 1. You will maintain your weight. You can have fruit (include at breakfast). Root vegtables, I honestly stay away from them with the exception of sweet potatoes. Basically eating protein and 2 cups of vegtables for lunch and dinner as you did in phase 2 is how you should eat in maintenance phase. Choose your vegtables wisely. I stick with the select vegtables on maintenance. I have a pasta dinner 2 cups cooked once a week with red tomato sauce only. Pastas with Alferedos, butter sauces are for cheat days only. Rice, cheat days only. This is a lifestyle change eating habits have to change. Avoiding mixing carbs and fats is the key concept to learn. If you have a sandwich at lunch, use ezekiel or sprouted whole grain bread, meat, lettuce, tomato, mustard (do not use mayo. It is a fat and you don’t mix it with bread, lettuce, tomato) and no cheese (another fat you do not mix with carbs). My carb rich meals do not have fat. My fat rich meals do not have carbs.. (cheeseburger no bread as an example). If you’d like me to help coach you as one dieter to another email me and I can help you. Jacquipersichilli.jp@gmail.com

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      • Wayne, I recommend speaking to your primary health care provider about seeing a dietitian. We do not prescribe one-size-fits all diets. Rather, we work with each person to figure out what will work best for them to live the healthiest happiest lives possible.

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      • Low cal, low glycemic, complete protein foods are nutritionally undesirable? Um ok.

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      • Not mixing fat with carbs in a meal is how Trim Healthy Mama works. Basic principle with that is (no calorie counting), if you eat a higher carb meal then fat should stay 5g or less and high fat meals should have 10g of carbs or less and all have a protein source with them. By carbs, I mean good carbs like sprouted grain, quinoa, beans, etc. Not sugar, or enriched wheat flours pasta etc.

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    • Diana, I was only giving examples. Of course he would tailor his meals to his calorie needs and food preferences. Whether you believe it or not the diet is not a one size fits all and I did not intend for anyone to think that. My point is that you have to find the correct balance and combinations of food in the maintenance phase. However, with that said. There are foods everyone should stay away from. Processed wheat being one of them. I’m curious about your thoughts on processed wheat?

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      • In my opinion, there is no need to avoid any macronutrients at any meal. In fact, I think that it’s best to include all three at each meal.

        I enjoy foods made with wheat flour. I believe that variety is key. Most people tend to eat too much wheat (and packaged foods) at the expense of others. Consuming a variety of foods, prepared at home, is the best way to attain and maintain a healthy diet. Look for my posts on wheat belly and grain brain for more on the subject. Thanks for your interest!

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  48. make that $4000+…

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    • Really Larry? They would have been “snaked” right out of $4000 in 7 months huh? $571 per month? Where did you pull that number from? Are you making stuff up again Larry? Yes of course you are! But thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify.
      In 7 months at my office, a person on IP would spend exactly $3047. That includes everything. In real terms however, since they are mainly spending money on food which is something people must spend money on every month anyway, they would, on the high end, spend approximately half that for IP. $1523.50 or $217 per month for 7 months. This would be for the person that say, doesn’t dine out 3x per week, gets drive thru coffees daily, gets take out 2-3x per week. For the person that does eat like the cost would be much less or zero. Ideal protein is a GREAT value for the benefits gained. A male would lose around 126lbs and a female around 80lbs in that time.
      It is a poor blog post since it contains inaccurate information. She admittedly is speaking from information acquired from “friends that revealed a fair bit about the program.” Hmmm. Then she accuses one of the foods as not being healthy. As if ideal protein products are no different to any other product out there. Do all protein products contain 8 essential amino acids to form a complete protein like IP foods do? Of course not. I DO agree with her that you do not need this program or ideal products to lose weight and this is not something ever said by IP proponents. IP is an option. Most people benefit from a structured plan and that’s a part of what they pay for.
      Sadly Larry, you’re just an angry individual spreading slanderous content trying to justify his decision not to do ideal protein. And that’s ok :)

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      • Brian, I obtained my product information directly from the IP website. I still think the products are nutritionally undesireable, and yes, that goes for similar non-IP products.

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  49. nutritionally undesirable ….hmmm …. that sounds like what I was eating prior to the weight loss program.
    Then I lost weight, (with an apparent nutritionally undesirable approach) I am sooooo much healthier now its fantastic. Thank you nutritionally undesirable program. My doctor could not be happier with my health or blood work, so how bad is this approach again?
    Now with smart coaching, I am eating a healthy balanced approach (again even Diana would approve) and enjoying life.
    Weekly video’s and updates provided to subscribers.
    Maybe one really does have to experience this to fully appreciate it Diana …. I appreciate Ideal Protein is not your “religion” but it does not automatically make it bad. (or good) …. The world is not flat anymore, new ideas can be OK ….

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    • Billy, have you so quickly forgotten all of my previous comments? Have you read any of my blog posts?

      The analogy of religion and diet is an apt one. People get far too caught up in some ridiculous belief system that has been preached to them. Personally, I’m a nutritional agnostic.

      I’m glad to hear that you’re doing well on the program.

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  50. Wow. Who knew ip could be so polarizing. Here is my experience. Mid 2014, I tried it for about 4 months and lost about 20lbs with 20lbs more to go (goal approved by coaches). I was eventually not hungry but never felt good. I was meticulous with my records and also tracked info with myfitness pal- in addition to a spreadsheet and ip diary. I did this bc though I was losing weight it was less than expected and I wanted to figure out why…ie how many carbs were getting in with veggies. What I noticed was that i was losing less weight than I would if I restricted my calories by the # I was consuming on ip. I also was losing more muscle than expected. Though I followed everything perfectly my coach was convinced I was cheating. So I went to another facility for a month. The new coach also said based on what I was doing I should see more results.

    I tried everything to make it work because I was so proud to be eating so much spinach and kale, more importantly off diet sodas and candy – and scared if I got off Ip I would gain the weight back. However, I felt so lethargic all the time, I knew I had to try something else. I started to slowly incorporate fresh healthy prepared meals (from a business) and I noticed a huge improvement in my energy level.

    I know several people who have tried ip. One has done great and kept the weight off. Everyone has lost weight and had a better experience than I had ( results came faster with less effort and not the constant lack of energy i felt). Most have slipped back to previous eating habits but revisit ip to get back on track- like any diet. Though my experience was not great , I know it can work for people. It also helped me realize that I can cut out highly addictive sugar. That alone is reason enough for me to consider trying it again for a few weeks to get back on track. I need the easy button and in my area there are several businesses selling fresh, healthy, carb and calorie conscious prepared meals. – for about the same price as ip.

    Please do not comment on my writing. This is being done from an iPad at night.

    I am not against ip. I have seen it work. It does not work the same for everyone; nothing does.

    One of my Drs recommended ip for weight loss and to help lower my high cholesterol. This dr did not sell ip, but weeks later moved to a practice that did. Another dr told me how ridiculous it was and said she had countless women who failed with ip. I think that is a little drastic too as I have seen it work , but I do believe ip does a phenomal job of protecting their brand. I suspect someone will respond saying I had to be doing something wrong. This is just not true, and as a side note- though I lost 20lbs, my cholesterol went up.

    Logically, it is usually best to make lifestyle changes and lose weight slowly. Though again , everyone is different.

    I also realize that the ip fanatics will want to know more. What all did I try, was I using all ip products, etc. ??? I did everything by the book. When that wasn’t working well , I tried all the suggestions 2 different coaches from 2 different facilities told me to try.( timing of packets, # of packets , reducing higher carb packets, b12 shots , add’l supplements, ketosis strips, different ketosis strips, etc……….)

    Luckily I had the money and it was more effective at weight loss than a personal trainer ( something else tried several times prior). It definitely was an expensive 20lbs though- and I had more energy and built more muscle and strength with the trainer.

    Hope this helps someone

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  51. I was on Ideal Protein for 8 wks. I lost 6 lbs the first week, and then about 1.5-2 the weeks after. I have exercised for 25 years, do heavy cardio and lift weights, some Cross Fit. When I turned 50 I started having some weight issues, some of it due to very sluggish thyroid problem. After 3 weeks on IP, I felt terrible, weak, dizzy, etc. I could not do my workouts, went from doing 20 man-type pushups ( I am female) to barely being able to do 6-7, went from running 5 KMs in 25 mins, to barely being able to run for 15 minutes. Of course this is because my body had no fuel (carbs) to burn. I spoke to my coach and he told me to quit exercising! After 25 years of being physically fit, i was suppose to let that go!!! I was taking all of these pills, etc., to compensate for the low 900-1100 calories I was on. So I quit, it was not sustainable for me.

    The truth of the matter is if you eat 1100-1500 of clean eating, with proper protein and vegetables, and some fruit, etc., you will lose weight at the same rate, depending on body composition and activity levels. IP is a business playing on people who have not found the control they need to make proper choices on their own. All the information they teach you is available for free, on the web; you just need to look and educate yourself. First off, stay away from refined sugar.

    I found when i came off of it my body seemed to be more than ever, carb sensitive. I now eat 55 protein, 30 carbs, 15 fat, exercise and the weight is coming off just as fast, without the expense. I feel better, and now have the stamina I need to push for goals in the gym. I would not recommend IP to anyone. My coach went on and on about processed food, for instance using diet coke because of the fake sweeteners, etc. I agree, diet coke is not good, but if you look at their food there are some questionable ingredients. It might have the complete protein chain, but it also has a lot of additives and fake sweeteners. There is no easy way except to learn to eat clean, and realize that being overweight is a choice. Even if the deck is stacked against you and you have a thyroid problem. You just have to learn to work around the cards you have been dealt in life and what every your problems may be and adjust accordingly.

    The only reason anyone can keep off the weight with IP, is they offer you a life time open door policy to come back and coach you if you gain some weight. They encourage you to come back if you gain 5 lbs and take it off right away. All good advice, but lets remember as soon as you walk through the door, they welcome you back because you will be spending lots of money again, on their food. You can do the same thing at home on your own, if you gain 5 lbs, cut your calories for 2 wks and the weight will come off.

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    • Oh dear. You should have been instructed by your coach about the limitations of exercise at the very beginning. For the duration of the weight loss phase your heart rate should not exceed 221 – your age x .85. This insures you stay in the aerobic fat burning range. Judging by the intense workouts you were doing it’s no wonder at all you felt poorly!

      “I spoke to my coach and he told me to quit exercising! After 25 years of being physically fit, i was suppose to let that go!!!”

      Not at all!! Exercise is critical to weight maintenance and over all good health! You were likely instructed to reduce your exercise for the short duration of phase one but you tried to do both anyway. If you weren’t instructed to reduce your exercise then shame on your coach. If you decided to carry on with rigorous exercise after being told you shouldn’t well then……..

      “IP is a business playing on people who have not found the control they need to make proper choices on their own. All the information they teach you is available for free, on the web; you just need to look and educate yourself.”

      Ideal protein doesn’t “play” on anybody. You are projecting here. Nobody is forced to spend money on ideal protein. Looking at obesity rates it’s crystal clear that people are not doing it on their own and benefit from help. There is great benefit to the education and structure of the diet. Yes one could and should just go on to the internet, learn how to eat and structure their own diet but given human nature most people simply won’t do it. They’d rather pay somebody to teach them.

      “They encourage you to come back if you gain 5 lbs and take it off right away. All good advice, but lets remember as soon as you walk through the door, they welcome you back because you will be spending lots of money again, on their food.”

      Ugh…here we go with the “money grab” accusations. IP is a profit business. So what? It is not evil to receive money for the sale of valuable goods and service. IP is a tool that many people value greatly. They use it to quickly knock off pounds and keep them healthy and happy. It’s not for everybody but its great for those whom it’s great for!

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      • If a person is unable to sustain their normal active lifestyle on a diet then it’s a problem with the diet, not with the individual. Telling people to limit excercise is outrageous. Also, the “fat burning” zone will vary for individuals. While there may be benefits to not going all out every workout, if weight loss is the goal, creating an overall caloric deficit is more important than focussing on heart rate zones.

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    • I’m also hypothyroid- and would wonder about the soy in IP products, as to whether this causes issues…

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  52. Yes, if weight loss is the goal then caloric deficit is more important. And if one wants to participate in a low calorie diet devoid of carbs for a short term to lose weight it’s perfectly fine to reduce exercise for a little while. If losing weight is the priority then the exercise can go for a little bit. There’s nothing outrages about it. If exercise is the priority with diet for weight loss then Ideal protein is not for that individual.

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  53. I am enjoying this, I prescribe weight loss programs and healthy stuff in my clinic in Redcliffe Queensland, and I’m brilliant simply because I have a photographic memory. done 13 years of Uni health, law, engineering plus and serve my community in various ways, I went to an IP presentation last week at lunch during a course, here is my question to you all in the northern hemisphere: Is there anything better on the market than IP for a clinic to retail to patients, these guys just took 3 years to get TGA approval, thats way higher than FDA, and most if not all TV based weight loss programs from Gym to dietetics avoid our TGA. Is their one product or service better for me to retail?

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  54. And if there is something better for me to retail can I have a contact please. Diana your so nice to let your countrymen ramble on, in the land of Oz we’d be pushing and shoving each other off the map, I was told its used in 3000 clinics in Northern Americas and its a drop in the ocean compared to the big TV weight losers, we are getting fatter as the food testing is done on Aussies and if we survive you get it shipped out, so we are food process guinea pigs, it is a little war where consumers are unaware of the fattening addictive nature of processed food. Together we can make a difference

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  55. Hmm…I just want to say that I started the Ideal Protein program about a week and a half ago. I have nothing positive to say about it. Not only is it expensive, I have never felt worse. I was super dizzy and had lots of muscle soreness. I followed the program exactly. On top of that the products taste disgusting… and I’m not exaggerating. I could hardly eat the soup, I’m only writing this, in hopes that I save someone their money, if their thinking about this program…don’t do it!!!

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    • A response like you describe is rare. Many people will have symptoms the first few days to a week and it’s normal. Once they clear (and they will) dieters should feel great.
      The foods are excellent. Most people like most of the foods, few like all the foods and few like none of the foods. Sorry IP isn’t for you. Visit a registered dietician.

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  56. Of course IP is a company trying to make money, its main interest. Do you know a company that isnt based this way ? Everything we pay for is greasing someones pockets. Thats the way life is. There is not one thing we dont spend $ on that is not supporting someones company. That being said , apprently the product works…so if you dont have the will power or time to diet yourself, or you dont want to spend the $ for this convenient way to lose weight then dont be a hater on someone who has found a way to make money.

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  57. I have not done the diet but my sister and mother have and together have lost around 160lbs. They both have tried many diets prior that may have worked short term but they eventually regressed to their former eating habits and put the weight back on. My sister has now been in the “maintaining phase” and has not gained any weight back. The diet works just like any other diet if it is followed correctly. People lose weight on Jenny Craig, weight watchers, Atkins ect. The hardest part is keeping it off for life. For that it takes a lifestyle change. Both my sister and mother claim to be learning how to do exactly that with IP. As for the products, it is more about convenience for the dieter and allowing them to have products that remind them of their former lifestyle, such as pancakes and pudding. From my understanding, a lot of people are willing to pay a little extra for convenience.IP also has their patients test their BMI and body fat percentages and check it regularly to ensure they are losing body fat and not much muscle mass. Anyway, in the end it is about consistency and changing how you have ate your entire life for the rest of your life.

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  58. My thoughts are you have to be open minded when it comes to all diets. Because the truth is there isn’t a one size fits all answer. It’s similar to religion or politics. The criticism above does not have all the details of the Ideal Protein diet to be helpful in it’ critique. Diana focuses her criticism primarily on Phase 1 of the IP diet. There is Phases 2, 3, and 4 transition you from Phase 1 to help sustain your ideal weight, inclusive of a health exercise on a regular basis. Also there are supplements you take in Phase 1 to compensate for nutritional deficits in Phase 1.

    I’m currently on the Ideal Protein program. The most criticism I’ve received, were from people who were already in pretty good shape. Most of it was your missing vital nutrients, you need to have a diverse diet…”look at me, look what I do”. What they don’t understand, and WHY I SUPPORT diets like IDEAL PROTEIN is you have to PUT OUT THE FIRE. I’ve known people who have been on it and have been successful maintaining the loss. Putting out the fire could mean surgery or altering your diet, trying something like IP. In my opinion its the better of the 2 options.

    From my personal experience with the diet, Phase 1 is similar to being an Alcoholic. You need to go through re-hab, you can’t ween your self off by drinking a little here and there. You need to eliminate the alcohol all together and have a support systems of some sort. With Ideal Protein Phase 1 the sugar would be the addictive piece “the alcohol”, once it’s out of your system, and after about 5-6 days of Phase 1, you know longer crave sugar, you get hungry and eat appropriately, but you don’t crave cookies, chips, and cake.

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  59. People on the Ideal Protein are paying double to triple for what you can get online for comparable products. Ip is not any better or worse. Just check out the ingredients list and tell me how are they “better”? Their protein sources are equivalent, not superior. Just because you have an MD marketing your product does not make it superior. It is all about branding and marketing. That’s business folks. I agree that eating real food sources is the only way to go.

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  60. Update: Lost 65 lbs in 4 months on Ideal Protein (IP) weight loss Phase 1. I have kept the weight off for close to 5 months.
    I did have a “hic-up” where I got to the top of my allowable weight range and panicked. Went back to IP and said lets go back to Phase 1. I want to lose a few pounds.
    My dietician said NO!!! That I had missed the point all together. That I needed to eat healthy and balanced (really close to what Diana here, likes for the record) and not go back to Phase 1.
    What? Not go back to the weight loss Phase 1 using IP supplied packages? That impressed me, I was willing to buy more product to lose a few pounds and they said NO!.
    I did indeed get the extra coaching I needed and have got back to the target area of weight I need to be at. I eat virtually everything in moderation. Life is good.
    It’s sort of like building a house and living in it. When you build the house there is a bunch of work. (Weight loss) But you are not going to be building forever. Once the house is built (you’re at your required weight), then you live in the house and do required maintenance to keep the value up. Watch what you’re eating and exercise in a healthy weight maintenance approach.
    I’ve said it a lot on this blog, this program is not for everyone. But any weight loss program should not be forever.

    A general question I would like to throw out there … why, when we say the word “diet” do we assume weight loss? Diet simply means what you eat. We should really be saying “weigh loss diet”, “weight gain diet” or “weight maintenance diet” and not interchange the word diet for weight loss. …. Sorry just a pet peeve of mind.

    Life is good!!! Enjoy … stay healthy.

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  61. I was on IP for two months and only lost 5 lbs despit following protocol the entire time. It did work for my friends. Most of them lost 30 lbs compared to my measly 5 lbs. It was heartbreaking for me because I was never hungry. I also had nonstop diarrhea and gas and felt inflamed. I am a 43 year old female with pcos and I did have full blood tests before I went on ideal. I didn’t show any thyroid or insulin program. I’ve tried many times to lose weight and ideal was my last resor. It didn’t work. I didn’t lose inches. My clothes fit the same….tight. Ideal protein works for most but not for me. Now I really,don’t know what to do.

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  62. Do you know if IP developers encourage coaches to screen patients for binge eating disorder before starting the protocol?

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    • I don’t know Alison as I have no connection to the program. Hopefully Brian will see this and be able to answer your question.

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    • Yes they do. It’s part of a thorough history taking. Unfortunately,if that is an issue, there is no treatment for it with ideal protein. Ideal protein dieters must be able to adhere to the diet protocol in order to succeed.

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  63. Dill zippers and diet soda for a snack? Packaged foods and supplements, only approved if sold by Ideal Protien -at their price? 900 calories a day? Wow, sounds like a real plan. Actually none of it sounds real. Anyone would lose weight eating like that. But not me.

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    • Diet soda is not allowed on the diet. The supplements insure that the dieters maintain a full balance of minerals and micronutrients. The doses and nutrients are based on a calorie reduced diet and with replacement of the nutrients that would otherwise come from the categories of foods that are temporarily eliminated. Those “packaged” food contain a uniquely high concentration of the 8 essenstial amino acids to insure maximum potency on the chemical index which prevents muscle loss.
      And seriously, how much food do you eat a day that doesn’t come in a package?

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      • The vast majority of what I eat does not “come in a package”.

        Eggs, chicken, fish, turkey, lettuce, spinach, cucumbers, tomatoes, beans, snap peas, squash, yams, and other vegetables make up the majority of my food intake. Occasionally cheese, pasta, and some dairy products are added into the mix… but its sort of tough to get them out of a package.

        I think these non-packaged foods contain a pretty decent balance of ‘nutrients and micronutrients’ As for amino acids, those are present in beans, lentils, rice, peanut butter (all of which I eat very little of) but they are present in OTC multivitamins and supplements I take.

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  64. It is very annoying to hear all the negative comments about the only program that has ever worked for me. It’s fine for people who don’t have a weight problem and probably never have had one to give their opinion on how to lose weight then maintain that loss. It’s another story when you have struggled with weight and food addiction for over 50 years. Diana, do you honestly think that someone who has over 100 lbs ( by life insurance standards 225 lbs) to lose to stay motivated by losing 1-2 lbs a week or less? The answer encase you are searching for it is NO. The people who are saying you should exercise when you are that much overweight obviously do not understand the negative effects of weight on joints and the stress on organs that are encased in fat that exercise causes. To say that the initial fast loss is water loss is wonderful but guess what- I don’t care if it was air. It’s gone and didn’t come back. I have lost over 135 lbs and plan on losing more. Anyone who thinks they can lose weight then go back to eating the way they did before the diet is ridiculous. Of course you are going to gain the weight back if you do not change your eating habits. The last Phase of Ideal Protein is for life. If you gained weight back you did not stay on Phase 4 (which does not include IP products). No one has mentioned the daily videos that tell you exactly why you are doing what you are doing and also work on changing your mental attitude towards food so you can maintain your loss. The misleading information regarding this program is disturbing to say the least. It makes me feel like these people would cure alcoholics , drug addicts and gamblers by just telling them not to drink alcohol, do not do drugs and just do not gamble. It’s that simple isn’t it?

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  65. Love, love, love IP! Love that my clothes fall off me. I don’t sell IP, I’m just a girl who couldn’t seem to lose weight on her own. I ate strict healthy foods and lost a pound or two and gave up because grabbing a cookie was easier. Then your discouraged because you failed and you eat more junk. Eating healthy is hard when your not used to eating all healthy foods. People don’t understand that. I could do any strict plan for a week before i gave up. I did IP for 3 months and lost 30 pounds! No other diet has done that. Yes, I knew what I should eat to lose weight, problem was junk was fast, easy and familiar. I ate Ip foods lost 30 pounds. I didn’t crave any junk food, I wasn’t hungry in the least. Yes it’s pricey, but I spent a ton on eating out a few times a wk. Coffee’s, candy at the vending machines. And now that mom would rather not eat at a restaurant the whole family eats at the dinner table. I have saved a fortune! My husband has no complaints with me buying IP foods because I’m happy and when mom’s happy, everyone is happy. I felt amazing on the diet, I was never bloated, my stomach was never, ever upset. I eat salads for lunch and dinner with protein and olive oil and vinegar, load them with veggies and I’m good. This post makes me sad all the people that are discounting the program. If you want to tone up or lose 5 pounds and already work out and eat healthy then by all means just eat what you should and lose the 5 pounds. If you have more to lose and struggle with other diets, then don’t knock it till you try it. It’s changed my life. 6 months later I gained about 3 pounds, went back on IP for a wk and lost 4. Thank god I didn’t listen to the negative comments about this diet, i’d still be miserable and fat.

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    • Great story Terri. I own an IP clinic and get to see results like yours all the time. One thing is certain. Ideal Protein is a well thought out, science based program that works. It’s based on the sound physiology of insulin, glucagon and their role in fat storage and fat burning. Ideal Protein is no fad diet. It will always work for those that do it. The maintenance phase will always maintain the weight loss because it is a sustainable program based on a healthy balance of carbs, fats, proteins and correct food combining.
      There will never be a shortage of skeptics and that’s ok. Good science always wins in the end. Good work!

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  66. I have never read such a load of Bull spewing out of anyone’s mouth as I have reading your comments Brian!
    And all these people with the sob stories who say that IP is the only way! and that you’ve tried everything else and failed and my coach at IP is so informative and knowledgeable, bla bla bla, they learn the garbage they sell you by reading and learning a script written by the company, just like telemarketers do, (since when has eating processed garbage and feeling hungry, Good Science!) Brian what have you been smoking? oh yeah that’s right you own a franchise, so your making money of the poor individuals who feel lost in their battle with Obesity! Oh and before you start ranting which you will do like a parrot, there is no reasoning with you an owner and a know it all weight loss guru! You will argue with and try to make all non IP followers look and sound stupid, I was 360lbs, and diabetic I Lost 180lbs, my first 70 in 4 months, how, well I’ll tell ya how, I didn’t spend my hard earned money on the Ideal protein scam, I lost it by drinking enough water & cutting out the bread, pasta, rice & potatoes and eating a well balanced mix of low carb and high protein foods, that wow I prepared cooked at home! Go figure eh! I don’t and will never eat the processed cardboard tasting garbage you push on vulnerable people, and if more people woke up and realized that you can do this on your own as I did, then people will not need people like you who feed upon the vulnerable by selling a bogus miracle cure, losing weight is hard work People! And takes determination & real food not processed junk. “People like You Brian!” prey on the weak and vulnerable, Just to make money off us, well LA weight loss went bust so did a lot of Dr. Bernstein’s and Sure slim, and other bogus clinics, so your day will come when people realize that your business is just as bad and load of Bull, and don’t get me started on the so called Dietitians who follow the corrupt Canada food guide which has made so many people sick & obese by pushing carbs and low fat diets as a healthy way of living, and telling them to eat margarine instead of Butter, “margarine” isn’t even a food it’s a cocktail of chemicals made to taste like butter, “but hey folks!” Follow the advice of Brian and his Minions and you’ll be hungry, miserable and broke and be right back where you started once you come off it, or you can EAT LOW CARB HIGH PROTIEN FRESH FOOD FOR LIFE! that you cook at home and start enjoying life! We only live once.

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    • Congrats on your weight loss. Ideal Protein isn’t “the best” or “the only way” and people can certainly lose weight and learn to eat right on their own like you did. It’s apparent by looking at the growing obesity rates however that some people need help. Ideal protein is an excellent scientific medical weight loss protocol that is helping many people where other methods have failed them. In fact clinical trials are in the works now using IP in several cardiology offices and a breast cancer institute.
      So it’s hardly a “scam”. We aren’t trained with scripts and we don’t need to be. We don’t even advertise. People call us because they know somebody that has already succeeded with the program. We teach them how it works and what they’d need to do if they choose to start. Then they decide if it’s for them.
      The “cardboard processed foods” actually contain uniquely potent complete amino acid profiles to ensure maximum absorb ability so muscle mass is spared during the weight loss phase.
      It’s understandable that you’re a skeptic as there actually are real weight loss scams out there that do prey on people. Time will bear out the truth concerning IP and I’m not worried at all :)
      Keep up the good work!

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  67. bottom line, there have been case reports of kidney/heart failure in the ideal protein program. The “champions” they use to promote and coach are not dieticians and are not trained in anything but selling a company’s products. we will see how many cycles of this diet all the cheerleaders on here go through. If it was about losing weight and being healthy, they would sell the plan, not overpriced, powdered eggs. Don’t worry, the lawsuits will be coming

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    • There is no “selling” of products by coaches after dieters begin the program. Anybody that starts already knows they’ll be buying IP foods every week in addition to the vegetables and proteins they will need.
      “Powdered eggs”?? Clearly you’re another skeptoid on auto pilot spouting nonsense.
      And you’re a liar about kidney/heart failure cases from ideal protein.

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  68. Those who fail to remember the past are doomed to repeat it. Or something like that. I have two doctors telling me I should try IP. Both recently added it to their practices. Both are in their early 40s. I asked each of them if they remembered the Atkins Diet and other low carb, high protein diets of the late ’70s and ’80s. Each one thought about a minute and then, like a light came on, commented that IP was really the same thing as Atkins, but more sophisticated and under medical supervision.

    Whatever works for someone is good for them. Not necessarily for anyone else. I lost 20 to 30 pounds on Atkins – at least 8 or 9 times. I’ll bet I could easily do the same with IP. Even way back in the dark ages of the ’80s, statistics available showed that only 3 to 5% of low carb dieters maintained the weight loss for more than 3 years. Again, each person is different. But don’t delude yourself that the sellers of this program have your best interests at heart. And no, there is nothing wrong with running a business and trying to make a profit.

    However, when folks like Brian bat down every negative comment, even if it’s a tangential one that doesn’t even mention IP, and attack the commenters as unknowledgeable, they reveal their real position – they are hucksters. No different than a guy selling used cars, stocks in mining companies or anything else that’s low cost to produce and high profit. It’s not quite MLM, but it comes very close. The middlemen make a lot of money for minimal effort.

    Please don’t waste your pixels telling us “This time it’s different.” It’s not – it’s just that you are the one trying to make money off it. True believers, evangelists and hucksters all have one thing in common – they want you to believe in what they believe in, and to pay them for the privilege.

    This was not an easy site to find. It took several Google levels for me. It’s highly unlikely the folks who had success with the program and were so willing to drop their gratuitous comments about IP on this site did it randomly. Far more likely they were told by one of the hucksters to make a nice comment and they would get some free meals. And yes, I am that cynical that I believe almost all business will do anything to protect their profits.

    A very big thank you to Diana for allowing this dialogue to continue.

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    • You’re welcome Steve. Whenever I get a new comment/tirade on this post I wonder if I should shut down the comments. Thank you for adding your story and your support of this post as a forum for discussion.

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      • I admire your patience, Diana. I find the ongoing debate rather entertaining, but not everyone would see it that way. I subscribed to comments maybe a year ago (though my comment didn’t get approved for some reason), and I’m always a little surprised to see the thread popping up again. I don’t think it’s been said yet, so I want to point out that my biggest problem with IP might be the soy. Amongst other serious problems, soy is anti-thyroid. So after losing lots of weight and maybe maintaining it by using IP products, a nasty surprise may be in store eventually when your thyroid gland stops working well. I grew up using lots of soy products, but when I found out the problems, I started avoiding it about 15 years ago. However, that early soy usage might be partly responsible for my current thyroid problems.

        Against my better judgment, a few years ago when I was desperate to lose weight, I tried IP for a few weeks. I laid aside my concerns about the soy (and other issues) and tried it as a sort of jump-start (or so I hoped). I did it because my brother was losing weight and feeling well on it, and he was convinced it would help me. I try to keep an open mind, so I gave it a fair try and just prayed a little soy wouldn’t be so bad short-term. I was hungry and miserable the whole time I did IP. I lost a few pounds eventually, but nothing like my brother (who is 20 years younger and healthy). When I couldn’t stand it any more, the weight was back in a couple of weeks (and no, I didn’t pig out–I know better). I have a lifetime of dieting behind me, whereas this was my brother’s only second or third attempt. He regained the weight within the year, as I recall. But during every phase of the program, he followed it to the letter–including the transition to maintenance.

        About 3 years later, I finally found out why I’d been gaining weight in the first place–I had developed Hashimoto’s. It took me a long time to get a diagnosis because when I asked my doctor to test my thyroid, he didn’t test for antibodies. I know so much more now, and am doing much better, mainly due to what I’ve learned at the Hashimoto’s 411 group on Facebook. I only mention this in case someone else here is struggling and frustrated, knowing that what they are eating shouldn’t be enough to make them gain weight or make it impossible to get off. The people in my Hashimoto’s group are usually dieting strictly and working out regularly, yet can’t budge their weight. There’s so much more to it than diet and exercise. You have to remove foods that are provoking the autoimmune response. But I won’t get into that here. =)

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      • Sorry your comment wasn’t approved! It must have been filtered into spam for some reason and, unfortunately, as I get so many spam comments that I don’t have time to check them to ensure real people haven’t been filtered. I assure you that I approve all comments unless they are clearly someone selling/promoting something or are abusive.

        Thanks for sticking with it! :)

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      • Thanks, Diana! That’s good to know. I remember being mystified at the time, so next time this happens, I’ll try again. =)

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      • I think now that one got through and I approved it that you won’t even need my approval anymore! :)

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      • I think you’re right…I’ve noticed that at other sites. So now I can pepper the page with unmoderated comments, LOL. =D I won’t do that. BTW, I’m Diane…not sure why my login doesn’t show that.

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  69. Brian! I am 100 percent in agreement with you! I started working as an office manager for the busiest IP Clinic in my state.. Nobody asked me to join the program but I have and I have lost over 60 lbs. More importantly my clinic owners are knowlegeable, caring and supportive as well as our 4 coaches who have changed the lives of the people who walk in each day..Our clients are educated and informed. We have clients who can easily afford the program as well as people who barely scrape by. What they have in common is the value they both see in this program that has made them healthy…NEVER a hard sell for anything. So much misinformation on this website regarding this program.. What is the fear?? Why malign Brian??

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    • Hi Olivia, that’s awesome! Of course you now see people losing and maintaining weight all the time so threads like this are baffling. I know, I feel the same way. There will never be a shortage of cynical skeptics in the world. I’m here because I find it fun to respond to the misinformation about IP.
      I just got called a “Huckster”! He doesn’t realize It’s all referral. No advertising. No selling. We succeed by taking great care of people. Love, serve, educate, inspire. It’s all we can do!

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  70. Thank you Diana for keeping this running, as I think most people will hopefully see – once they read through all the comments – that IP is nothing but a quick fix – not a long term solution. As someone who has lost a lot of weight on IP then gained it all back and more eating a sensible, balanced diet, I find myself having mixed feelings for the folks who have posted success. On one hand, I’m happy for anyone who can successfully lose a significant amount of weight on ANY plan. On the other hand, I can imagine that most of these people will sadly gain their weight back and more. I think for many people, if you cut your caloric intake to such drastic measures, your body will pack back on the pounds once you start eating a normal range.

    If you are seriously overweight and want an approach using whole, unprocessed food (and at the same time saving yourself a lot of money), do an internet search for Protein Sparing Modified Fast. This is what IP really is – a low carb, low fat, moderate protein diet. I believe this is the diet many obesity programs at hospitals use. IP is nothing new… and if you need support, I would think seeing an MD or RD is a better bet.

    My sincere best to all on your weight loss journey!

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    • Hi Lisa. Yes of course there are people who gain all their weight back after doing IP and many other diets. It’s not the weight loss methods fault. It’s the lack of following a brand new lifestyle once the weight is gone. It goes with out saying that the maintenance of body weight is one of life’s biggest challenges.
      I have to take you to task on your assessment of IP as “nothing but a quick fix”. IP has always had a maintenance protocol that is ever improving. It is a balanced diet consisting of lots of vegetables, fruits, proteins, carbs and now a fitness program. IP’s goal is weight maintenance not just weight loss.
      Death rate is still up to 100%. Should we quit going to medical doctors because people go back to being sick after they were once “cured”?

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      • My point was obviously missed (or deliberately avoided). IP may have a maintenance program, but If you have a significant amount of weight to lose, how many can stay on a 900 or so calorie diet successfully to get to this point? And again: there is a reason why all reasonable medical and dietary experts recommend a 1 – 2 pound a week weight loss. Yes it’s hard when you have a lot of weight to lose but the point is you’re more likely to keep it off long term than with quick weight loss plans like IP. The “quick fix” comment is for those thinking that IP is some miraculous program that bypasses this basic medical fact.

        And regarding your (rather simple) analogy: Of course I wouldn’t stop going to doctors – but I certainly wouldn’t keep going back to the same doctor whose treatment protocol left me in worse health!

        But of course, it couldn’t possibly be the protocol’s fault, right? I just didn’t follow the plan. I’m suggesting it’s the other way around – that possibly it’s a plan that only a few can reasonably succeed on long term – maintenance or no maintenance.

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      • Brian, what is the fitness program? I’ve been on IP for about 2weeks and I’m going crazy because I’m not supposed to exercise. I recently lost 30lbs with diet and exercise but have just came to a hault. No weight change for 2 months. During the time I lost those 30lbs huffing and puffing, and being hungry, my husband lost 65lbs on IP. I love that it’s teaching me how to make better decisions on how I feed my family. And honestly we have saved money on the program since we don’t eat out as much. It’s sad to say but sometimes on the weekends we would eat out for all our meals. My goal is to drop 30lbs then get back in the gym. So far I’m down 10 and lost 12 inches. Anyways if you have information on exercise let me know. Thanks.

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      • Angela- I am curious as to why you are asking Brian for information concerning a program that both you and your husband are enrolled in, paying top dollar for, and are under the medical supervision of either a Dr or group leader? Wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to ask the person that is supervising your IP program, and who you are paying money for advice, to respond to your concerns? None of us know who Brian really is, if he is a Dr, and exactly what his relationship is to IP. He may be who is says he is, maybe not. Regardless, why not ask the IP people you deal with on a regular basis? I, OTOH, can tell you with absolute certainly that I have no medical knowledge whatsoever (though I am really good on putting on bandaids) and, that, hailing from NYC, I have an extremely strong innate skepticism of anyone who makes claims on the internet without providing a verifiable identity. Which is why I never make absolute statements. Think about it – who is in a better position to help you – some anonymous identity on the internet or people you deal with in person and trust (I assume you trust them or you shouldn’t be taking medical advice from them)?

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      • Steve makes a great point. You should take this up with your IP clinic coach or head director. The information I gave you came directly from a doctor at an annual IP conference in Boston in June of 2014. Your clinic director should call the head office and speak to somebody in the protocol dept if he/she is unaware about this change to the protocol. But I guarantee you it is dependable information.

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  71. I would like to add my two cents to this thread. I joined IP Jan 3rd 2015 I started out at 312lbs. I have always been a big woman and have been around the same weight for 20 years (I am 47) and have always been healthy. I had tried many plans, then roughly 4 years ago I made huge lifestyle changes no fast food, no pop, eating healthy meals at home. I even consulted a dietician who said I was doing all the right things. I was walking 3 miles a day and eating 1200-1500 calories a day and you know what? I lost 30lbs and then plateaued and could not loose another pound. I increased the exercise and dropped the calories and then I gained. IP is helping me loose the weight I need to loose, it will be up to me to follow healthy eating once I meet my goal weight as with any plan. I have consulted with my doctor (who does not sell the product, he had never heard of it) he is happy to see the progress and has ordered blood work to make sure everything is healthy in the inside (all good). To anyone who has not had serious weight issues it is easier said then done and when you find a plan that works it keeps you motivated. I have lost 90lbs in less then 6 months I feel fabulous oh and by the way I do moderate exercise to tone the muscles and have indulged in a few minor cheats from time to time. I am so excited to be able to ride a bike again, shop in any store and not have to think about if the chair is gonna break when I sit down. I thank Ideal Protein for helping me learn a different way.

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  72. Linda- Congrats on your weight loss. The real test is if you will be able to continue be at that weight in 2 years. IPD is a low calorie, low carb diet that takes lots of will power to adhere to. Similar to the old Adkins diet. You are right – it will be up to you to maintain your weight and I wish you the best of luck.

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  73. I lost 20 pounds on Ideal Protein, had wonderful coaches who have helped me keep on track, and I have been maintaining my weight loss for about 7 months. Carbs are introduced again as you hit phase 3 of the diet, and as long as I do one ‘low carb’ day and do my walking, I don’t have a problem staying on track. I have changed my eating habits to include reaching for fruit or vegetables rather than bread or chips. I love the program, love the non judgmental attitude of the staff and will continue to weigh in once a month for the foreseeable future. If I go on a vacation and gain 5 pounds I’m welcome to go back on program for a week or two. They give you alternatives to their foods to eat once you stop the official diet, but do encourage you to reach for protein rather than high carb foods. They keep you full longer, take more energy to burn, and I feel amazing. I’m now a size 2-4. Something I never thought I’d see again at 53.

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  74. Good article on weight loss programs like IDP and many others where the true effectiveness of the programs has not been proven. Instead of all the anecdotal information provided by Brian and the other posters who have tried various diets, an actual study of lasting effectiveness, conducted by unbiased third parties of all these programs would very welcome. The lack of such a study indicates that, as the article, the programs are more about enhancing revenue than really helping people over the long term.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/05/business/in-health-law-a-boon-for-diet-clinics.html?emc=edit_bg_20150707&nl=booming&nlid=57579902&_r=0

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    • Glad you mention clinical trials, there are 2 in the works. One being conducted out of a breast cancer institute in california and the other by a group of cardiologists. So IP is getting lots of looks from the medical and scientific communities and for good reason, it’s an excellent program based on solid science.

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  75. I have no doubt that being on the IDP will result in relatively rapid weight loss, considering the reduced caloric and carb intake. Any clinical study will validate those results. Atkins and many other high protein, low carb, low low calorie diets will achieve roughly the same results. The problem is whether individuals will be able to maintain that weight loss year after year. I have yet to see a review of any similar diet that had most participants keep the weight off over a period of several years. Of course it’s better to have Dr supervision of such a diet, but what happens after the 3, 6, or whatever period it takes to get the weight off. And at what price? A true NIH, or FDC or other federal trial would take years with different control groups. I maintain that anyone can duplicate this diet by themselves without shelling out thousands of dollars if they have the will power. As I mentioned before, I did it several times. And gained the weight back because it’s just not sustainable, by most people, over the long run.

    Or, as some wag once said, you pays your money and you takes your chances.

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  76. Wow. All I have to say is clearly many people are not choosing the healthy alternatives or we would not have an obesity epidemic. Look around. I once overheard an extremely obese person putting down the Lara bar I was buying as nothing more than a chocolate bar. They would not waste their money on that crap. (I personally believe it is a better option than fast food in a pinch….but everyone has their opinions) One glimpse in their grocery cart laden with baked chips, frozen diet yogurt, frozen dinners, etc. made me feel sad for them. If something like the ideal protein diet puts people on the “right track” and helps to educate people on the right choices then as far as I am concerned that is a win! I mean seriously, I actually heard one woman scold her husband for grabbing the chocolate frosting instead of the vanilla because the chocolate had more sugar………
    Many people, myself included, find it easier to maintain a program that is strict and takes the guesswork out of it. I am assuming this program does that effectively. Follow the plan and the results will happen in most cases. Maintenance is necessary on any program you choose. Making a choice to begin a healthy lifestyle journey can be the most rewarding thing a person can do for themselves. Your (future) grandchildren will thank you!

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  77. Update, coming on a year since I started and 7 months off Phase 1.Contributed to this form a lot last fall.
    I have been able to keep (most the weight off), Ok, I lost 70 lbs and have maintained at the 55-60 lb loss for 5 months plus. This worked for me, might not work for you.
    Give it a try, if the other programs did not work for you perhaps this one will. Perhaps it wont. what do you have to loose but a couple pounds and a couple bucks.
    Will continue to update from time to time. … .cheers

    And NO !!!! No one has paid me, encouraged me to type ANYTHING … (maybe some have, but not me)

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  78. Sorry, I meant Angela, not Linda.

    Steve

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    • Hi Steve,
      I have asked my doctor and he has said absolutely no excercise. From reading what Brian has to say it’s obvious that he is an IP coach. I would just like to hear his opinion and take it back to my doctor, so we can discuss it. I just want to work out and it’s driving me nuts that I can’t. Like I said though this is a jump start to my weight loss plateau. Seeing my husband drop 70lbs without working out was making me jealous. The program absolutely works. The food is good. My coach is awesome, I literally text him at all hours of the day and I always get a response, I’m glad we found out about IP. It has changed our lives for the better

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  79. wow. this is a crazy long thread of comments. i had to begin skimming.

    kudos to Diana for remaining gracious, patient, and compassionate. not all the commenters exhibited such integrity.

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  80. I am hoping to start ideal protein sometime next month. I would start earlier but my kids and husband have a couple thousands of dollars in dental bills lol. M husband’s cousin did ideal protein and lost 120 pounds in 5 months. I am excited to try ideal protein as I used to be 145lbs and am now 320. My entire family could use to lose some weight and I believe that me doing the program will help everyone overall. We eat out way too much and eat convenience foods regularily. I was recently diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and have major joint pain as well as swelling of the knees feet and ankles. I need to do something now cause right now I am slowly killing myself. At first I was concerned about cost but then thought of some of my family of fives restaurant bills which can range from 60 to 160 depending where we eat and some weeks we do this 2 or 3 times. The money we spend on takeout will easily pay for the program and if it works for me my husband might also join. I do want to know if there is an age limit for the program. My 17 year old daughter weighs almost 400 lbs and is being tested for possible genetic diseases that cause insatiable hunger. If this is something she can try and discontinue the victoza shots her specialist put her on that would be great. I would like to mention that everyone in my family is tall from 5’10 to 6’3 as tall people generally carry more weight than a shorter person. Anyway I will be starting soon and would love any feedback or success stories. I am an accountant so I will post after a month or so how the program affects my families overall budget. I will also let you know how my diet change affects the weight of the rest of my family as I believe if I am eating better my children will as well. I am super happy I found this blog that shared both positives and negatives of the plan and am excited to find my own results.

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    • Good luck “mom of 3”.
      In some ways the program was easy and some ways the program was hard. But get healthy for your family (and of course for yourself).
      It’s worked for me. I avoided Type 2 diabeaties, meds cut in half and no longer need a machine for sleep Apnoea.
      More than anything else it’s an education on how to eat and stay healthy.
      Please do let us know how it goes.
      Take care.

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  81. IP helped me lose 75 lbs. Which felt great. Too bad that 3 years later, do to the eating disorder created by a year of restrictive eating, I have gained it all back. I now see counselors to help me heal my relationship with food. I hope I can lose this weight again in a more sustainable way.

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  82. I am a clinical social worker in private practice. I first read this blog right after my annual exam during which my very trusted, ethical, well-known and brilliant doctor asked me if I had heard of IP. I had not and returned home to google for a bit of info. I sent Doc information I received over the phone from the clinic where I have an appt. next week. She requested I continue giving her feedback. A few days later I sent her this blog and asked, ‘do you think there exists a conflict of interest issue with MDs selling this product out of their practice (NOT MDS who work for/or own an IP business); and what do you think of Brian?” She agreed there is much room for conflict of interests, adding she would never support the docs in her practice doing so. As for Brian her quick observation (NOT diagnosis), was he reminded her of people momentarily experiencing blood sugar drops – the name-calling, insults, sarcasm, ridicule, aggressive verbal assaults. She also wondered if he might be open to seeing a qualified psychotherapist. Brian, your tone changed in the last several posts and sounded closer to being professional and even-keeled; I hope you can maintain that quality. As for ‘thorough medical history’ being taken – I think that’s a loosely interpreted and much over-used phrase. I would hope that any program is going to be in contact with the primary care doc (as my doc prescribes) and if the doc knows of any significant psychotherapy with the client, that the clinic would also require a statement from the therapist that no known eating disorder was discussed. Most of my clients who have told me of their disorders have never reported them to their doctors prior to my firm encouragement. Taking an oral history from a client/patient the only medical history is highly suspect due to so much shame held by the respondent. I’ll find out next week what my program requires. My insurance does cover the appointments but none of the IP food or supplements – or medication if chosen. I may pop back here – it has been fascinating to look at the exchanges. Remember, please? B-R-E-A-T-H-E…… Thanks for the blog!

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  83. I was wondering about the source of protein on this diet, is it animal based?

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  84. The protein is varied, it can be pea, whey, soy but not really animal based. That is why it agrees with more people. It is not all milk based like some protein products. It depends on the products. For people talking about how expensive it is…have you seen how expensive non gmo protein products are in the grocery store? Its around 12.00 a day for the food. Granted it is a weight loss program, like all the rest it works for some but if you are skeptical and don’t like to follow instructions this diet is not for you. The coaches vary and I would suggest talking to them before committing, there are great coaches that are really dedicated and those that are less knowledgeable. Full disclosure I did the program a couple of years ago and lost 40 pounds and have kept it off but my coach was awesome. I buy some meal replacements every now and then for times I don’t have the time to eat a proper meal (instead of eating the simple carbs at fast foods) but my family has heart disease and I feel much better that I have reduced my risk. I now know the foods I thought were healthy in fact are not (carrots, corn, peas, etc..) but I would rather not die young so I get to talk to my coach as much as I want and that costs me nothing. So there ya go… I am a guy and did it for health but stuck to it and it worked for me. Do it or not but be sure to talk to other people that may have done it. Reviews on the internet are like farts in the wind…who knows who is behind the post. K

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  85. ideal protein diet 100% WORKS!! Ive lost 75lbs in 3 months while keeping ALL OF MY MUSCLE MASS!! It is easy and so easy!! Try it before you write about it!!

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  86. I am trying to find someone who knows how to work with ideal protein. I lost 40 pounds and want to continue losing. I cannot stay on the diet any more as it is prescribed because I keep getting faint. I ate normally for awhile and was feeling completely healthy. Then the first day I tried to go back on the diet my eye started twitching. Is there anyone who works with this diet who knows how to tweak it. I suspect I need more fat but do not know where to draw the line.

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    • Sheila, if you have medical coverage to see a registered dietitian I would recommend that you do that. Without knowing where you’re living, I can’t say what other options there would be in your country/area. However, in some places there are community health teams where you can see an RD for free even without coverage. Check with your primary health care provider for options in your area. Please don’t take medical advice from Internet forums. Good luck!

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  87. IP is smoke and mirrors…having lost a lot of weight on IP was great ..but when I moved off to a sensible diet I packed the pounds back on at an incredible rate..8+ a week.. I also developed a revulsion to veggies at the end because we had to eat so many….what took me years to gain took me less than months to put back on.. IP gets you addicted and you cannot go off the IP way….even if you do all the “steps”.. Tell me what you think about IP a year after you go off….

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    • I’ve been in maintenance for a year and a half and am maintaining my weight loss. If you use the tools learned during the IP journey, you will maintain the loss. It’s so important to follow the food combination rules in maintenance (I truly believe this is the key). My dinners are the same as I was taught during IP. My breakfasts are like a king, lunch like a queen and dinner as a pauper. I follow the food combination to the letter and have my regular cheat days. It’s working for me.

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  88. @Larry and @Brian:

    Larry, you sound as if you are not ready to commit to anything. If you are “100 percent obese” not really sure what the heck that means, you would think you would want to do what you can to not have a surgery on your knee. Put down the Starbucks and hang a right to the gym right after your stop to your local IP physician providers office and not to McDonald’s!

    Brian, you hit the nail on the head with many things. The mental state of understanding your body well enough to know when you need to eat versus a “it’s time I need to eat” type ritual, will help many people get over the few times you may have slight hunger while on IP.
    As a new member of the IP customer community, if you will, I’m amazed at how quick this program actually works on seeing results. Then again, consuming roughly 1100-1500 cal/day, who the heck wouldn’t lose weight. Some of the IP products aren’t very tasty at first, however, after you purge the refined sugars/carbs and crap out of your system, all of a sudden you need to eat less and feel better by eating fresh vegetables and lean protiens.

    This plan isn’t for everyone, especially like Larry that seems to have every excuse in the book as to why “this diet is expensive, refined this, soluble that”. I have one statement Larry and its to Brian’s point regarding your diet. If you spent as much time making excuses to not do this thing and start doing something, you would be down almost 10lbs right now. This is from a guy that lost 13 lbs in 4 days. I’m only 14 days in to this and keep label reading and thinking of meal options, ingredients I should have been eating for a long time and how I may incorporate good choices moving forward from the IP plan. Take the opportunity to understand YOUR body and what makes it run. As diets aren’t for every body, everybody shouldn’t diet, rather change their choices wether it’s intake type and volume or activity. Some people need to burn a bunch of calories to maintain and some don’t even need to work out. Start with the idea of what you are putting in that body and how it affects you!

    Not one person has mentioned ones “mindset” moving forward. Making changes should be statements like “I choose to eat this way” or “I am a better person when I workout at 5 am”.

    On to your “knee problems”. As a joint salesman, your “bucket handle tear” wasn’t your cartilage on your knee, rather the “bumper” or meniscus that cushions your knee. The cartilage is what goes away with “OA” as you say causing “bone on bone pain”. But if you can lose a few pounds, all of a sudden your knees, back, ankles, everything you have been crushing for the past who knows how long, stops hurting and you feel better. All of this changes your mindset and soon, that $90 a week is a little easier to swallow- pun intended.
    Good luck to you Larry. Brian, keep changing lives!

    Diana, I am really trying to understand your position. You sound like you may be a physician that lost or didn’t qualify for the IP opportunity in your area. Mostly valid slanted points or position. Not certain how you can have such an opinion and haven’t even tried it. I do like the blog and everyone’s ability to openly discuss their thoughts. Cheers and thanks for providing the outlet for us.

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    • Jim Bob, this is my personal blog. Good effort at guessing what I am. If you bothered to read it you would know that I’m a registered dietitian with no connection to IP.

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  89. To respond. Yes, off a year and still drinking the Koolaide.,…. as I said, go off the “plan” and the IP products, etc for a year….

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  90. Wow. This one’s a real doosy. Kudos to you Diana for allowing such a widespread amount of opinions… I’m not sure I could be so welcoming. It’s irritating to see people share their opinion openly, but then actually verbally attack other people because they don’t agree with them. It’s obvious Brian is promoting his product. And, obviously he’s promoting it because he believes in it. And it likely does work for a lot of people. That’s great. There’s nothing wrong with that whatsoever. I believe your actions are based off of what you truly believe is healthy for people. But, to attack people because they don’t agree with you is pathetic. If IP is such a great program, it’s a shame to hear the same person who sings it’s praise in the same breath speak vulgar assumptions about strangers who simply disagree with them. To call a stranger a “loser”, “obnoxious”, and to suggest that they’re an alcoholic is pretty low, and childish, especially when it’s brought about by a simple disagreement.

    I will not remark on the effectiveness of IP because I know little to nothing about it. But, I don’t blame anyone for being skeptical about it. And, I think people should be skeptical about any new diet they hear about. Not because IP or other diets don’t work. But because every day we hear about a new diet or food study. Just last week a study came out on meat consumption and the link to cancer. Well, the headlines read “Meat is Bad” – people heard oh, now I can’t eat meat. Because no one reads past the big media headline. The media and we the consumers need to listen. If you read that story, or the research you’d find that even the researchers said if there’s one take away from the study results, it’s not that you should avoid meat. It’s that you should eat meat in moderation, and probably reduce the amount of processed meat you eat. It’s not black and white. Meat is not bad. My point is that in order to make healthy food decisions, we need to be skeptical. We need to be discerning. And, we need to be in-tune with ourselves to find what works for us.

    A majority of people giving you food and nutrition advice have never had any formal training or education in nutrition.

    That’s reason to be skeptical.

    And, unfortunately, I think there are more people in this world interested in selling you something than they are in feeding you a healthy meal… so yes, be skeptical. At some point of course, even when you’re skeptic you need to know when to try things out, especially when it comes to health. If your health is at stake, it is important to act, and to do something even if you’re not sure what the best option is.

    Anyhow, thanks for the interesting read Diana! BTW, I’m currently studying nutrition to become an RD. After several years of a career in marketing, I decided to take a different path. In the future I hope I can help undo some of the nutrition misinformation marketing and the media have propelled.

    Cheers,
    Jon

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    • Thanks for adding your thought Jon. It’s definitely been an interesting discussion.

      The combination of the poor explanation of relative risk by the WHO and the ever excitable media made for an interesting week in nutrition when that statement was released. Fortunately, many excellent nutrition professions and scientists have since clarified the message.

      Best of luck with your studies!

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  91. Geez Louise this has been a good read! Brian I agree with everything you said about the health benefits of IP but the personal attacks were pitiful! Physician heal thyself! I hope you have since participated in some anger management classes! And Diana, it’s obvious that in your original post you were not fully educated in the complete IP program, and it doesn’t sound as though you have thoroughly read the posts of those who completed and followed through on all four phases of the plan. It’s not a gimmick, its a tool in the tool belt of anyone who wants to help others lose weight and learn to eat more healthfully.

    I’ve been doing the IP diet since August and have lost about 30 lbs, with about 8-10 to go. I am not affiliated with IP in any way but I do sing their praises. First let me address the expense of IP. I am fortunate that I pay no fees at my clinic, only the $12/day for my 3 silver packets. It does shock me daily to accounts from people whose clinics are run by little despot dictators who are trying to soak vulnerable, overweight people for as much as they can. This is the fault of IP in that they don’t seem to have hard and fast rules for how clinics should be run. But how much does it cost to hire a personal trainer or nutritionist, or join a gym?

    Do I dig that those little silver packets are rather over-processed pseudo-foods? No I don’t, though I do love the taste of a lot of them! Do I enjoy eating artificial sweeteners? No I don’t, but for me this diet is a means to an end. And in the end, the goal of IP is to teach you how to eat and live healthfully WITHOUT ANY of their products. That’s the point many of you here in this thread seem to have missed.

    As with most of us eating a ‘traditional western diet’,( whatever that means,) I was highly addicted to sugar, probably pre-diabetic, overweight and supremely confused and unhappy. The more I read about health and nutrition ( and I read A LOT), the more confused and powerless I felt. I ate nuts, kale, fruit, veggies, whole wheat, gluten free, smoothies, lean meat, fish, green tea blah blah blah. And of course plenty of crappy processed junk food on top of all that. I ran a marathon, I lifted weights, I did P90X, I consulted a naturopath who charged me a fortune and sold me expensive supplements. At the age of 50, I was 45 pounds overweight and miserable.

    So for me, IP is working very well. I have lost weight, gained muscle and my blood sugar no longer spikes and falls as it was doing before. I am eating more veggies on a daily basis than I ever have before.

    There is no one-size-fits all solution to weight loss. We don’t all enjoy the same foods; we don’t all love the same forms of exercise. Is IP for everyone? Of course not, but does it work for those who work the program completely? Indeed it does.

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    • I do read all of the comments Debbie as I have to approve them before they appear on my blog for anyone to read. I stand by all of my previous statements.

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      • Ideal Protein is a four-phase diet. Their goal is to teach you to eat healthfully for life and gradually wean you off their products ENTIRELY!

        I used to be as closed-minded as regards health and nutrition until I found myself with struggles I was unable to overcome. I consulted my MD and NDs, but their ‘drugs of choice’ and diet changes did not help. It was then I realized that perhaps there are other ways of achieving the goals you seek. I have also matured enough to be able to admit that perhaps I didn’t know as much as I thought I did. So I talked to a lot more people and did a lot of research into IP.

        IP has helped me and a great many others to achieve a healthy weight and, as you seem to have continually disregarded, to maintain that weight for years. Their protocol phases you off IP food COMPLETELY, and gradually re-introduces all those ‘trigger’ foods that have become such a staple in our diets. It teaches portion control, which veggies are likely to pack on he pounds, and also introduces many to healthy, delicious veggies and methods of preparation that may be completely foreign to many.

        So I’ll repeat it again, once you reach your goal weight YOU NO LONGER EAT IP FOODS AT ALL!

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  92. I am currently on Ideal Protein. I have been for the last 2 months and have lost 38lbs so far! It really doesn’t matter what diet you go on. I tried Weight Watchers prior to ideal. The whole fact of the matter is you need to find something that works for you to get the weight off and then you need to make a lifestyle change to keep it off. Weight watchers didn’t work for me because I was told I could eat anything just count the points. So I would starve all day so that I could have a pizza or bottle of wine. Not really instilling good habits. Then I would feel guilty and just stop counting points for the rest of the week because I thought the week was a write off. It was a vicious cycle. I think Ideal Protein is working for me because I needed someone to tell me what to eat and when. I didn’t want to have to think about it. As far as the cost goes, I think I was spending at least $400/week eating out and now it only costs me $96/week for food plus approx. $85/month for supplements. Nowhere near the cost of my old eating habits. So, my whole point is I think you are all right. Brian you are right – Ideal protein can be a great vehicle to lose the weight and get out of your bad habits. Diane you are also right – you do need to make lifestyle changes to keep the weight off.

    I wish everyone luck in whatever they choose to do. Just remember, whatever you do keep your doctor in the loop.

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  93. I’ve really enjoyed the success. I too have tried everything. This plan has been the only plan that I have not suffered from obsessing about what and when I can eat next. (I tried South Beach and Atkins, IP does not compare). I think anyone will agree no matter how one loses weight, the real battle is about keeping it off. Following the process the whole way thru makes the difference in maintaining. IP has 4 phases, success in maintaining is learning how to establish what to eat in the real world to maintain. That is taught if one is willing to follow to protocol thru stage 4.
    What I have really learned from this protocol is the science behind weight loss. No other program I have tried has ever delved in to blood sugar stabilization and be satiated education like IP.
    When I did the math regarding cost of IP vs. what I was spending eating out, lattes, etc., I have been saving money. That may not be the case for all, but for me it’s made perfect sense.
    The bottom line, no matter what, there is always opposition. That’s just human nature.
    Best of luck to all who are trying to get healthy.

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    • I agree with you CJN. I too have had great success with IP and I have learned a great deal on this program. I have also lost 38 lbs since August and within just a few of my goal. It’s too bad so many people have chosen to condemn this diet when it is obvious they are not fully educated on its protocols. Love IP, and good luck to you!

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  94. Hello…
    I just noticed an ad…Craigslist, for a Weight Loss diet coach. many years of experience has clearly shown that ‘real’ support, by peers is a system for change. Whatever someone may want, or need to change. I have been in 12 step programs for 30 years. Food addiction was one of them. I have watched many people have bariatric surgery, or any other type of ‘serious’ weight loss effort. Until someone changes the ‘Relationship’ with Food, or Alcohol, Drugs…
    The underlying ‘issue’ is not resolved. Their chance of long term, consistent ‘change’ is poor. Just my experience.
    I have been a Professional Sales rep for 35 years. And a recovering addict for 25 years. What a concept. A 23 step based ‘weight loss’ program that encompasses the successful traits of what is out there. I watched thei Co. video. I knew I couldn’t work there. Then I read your blog…This si a franchise. That sucks the heart out of many businesses. All the initial expense. Some body better be ‘Pushin’ product out the door ! The world goes on. bariatric patients gain weight again. Incredible work exerted to lose weight, and the Life gets in the way…We comfort ourselves with Food…And we begin again. As the expression goes…’I’ve lost hundreds of pounds’…Then I gain it back. The US is overwhelmed with stress. Many who don’t drink, or drug…Eat.It’s rather socially acceptable. More than the other two. We need to learn to live Life on LIfe’s terms. We change internally. It takes time..and effort. Then we have tools, friends who can get us through times of stress…better than Food, Alcohol..or Drugs.
    Arnie

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  95. Hi I read all of the articles with interest and true curiosity about IP. And have also read the Ideal Protein websites. I would prefer to see the product ingredients listed and the program more clearly explained up front on the website, before I would choose to do the program, so I can make an informed decision. Perhaps IP doesn’t portray this for fear people will then be able to duplicate the program without paying for it? (or perhaps the ingredients and food regime are divulged on a web location that I couldn’t find?) But in any case, currently we can roughly duplicate the program with real food at a reduced calorie level (e.g. meat, some veggies, whey, some fruits, good fats etc) without having the IP program fully disclosed. And, in any case, as some pro IP comments on this post indicate, people who want structure and the efficiency of ready-made portions and defined supplements will buy the product and pay for the program. For myself, specifically there are foods I wish to avoid such as soy products and artificial sweeteners- so I’d like to know more clearly what is in the food products up front. I have a couple of friends who have tried the program with success of huge weight loss, though unknown if this will be successfully maintained over time. I would like to see the science regarding long term ability to keep it off. However, this IP program involves a narrow view of weight loss focussed primarily on food, that hasn’t considered other issues such as dis-ease, hormones (thyroid), sleep disorders, stress, emotions etc…. At this point for myself I lean more towards choosing a healthy eating plan as Larry and the blog host indicate. I appreciate the dialogue of the pros and cons outlined by all the participants. I don’t appreciate the comments that weight loss on the IP program didn’t work for some because they must not have followed the program properly- as I have hormone issues, sleep disorder, dis-ease etc, that compromise my ability to loose weight. I like the concept indicated by a different health practitioner, though for chronic fatique, it relates to me for weight loss too – the SHINE principle- order to deal with Sleep, then Hormones, then Infections/Inflammation, then Nutrition, and then Exercise. Best Wishes in 2016 to all who are struggling to get healthy.

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  96. a little late here, but just my own views. let’s face it, any “diet” that involves less calories being consumed than used will involve weight loss, at least for awhile. as to whether it’s good weight loss depends on the diet. although one question…………doesn’t a diet that induces ketosis have to be a no carb high FAT diet, as an overabundance of protein would be converted to glucose? the IP diet, as stated, is a no carb, high protein diet. i’m wondering if the success of the IP diet is more from motivation derived from the coaches (and possibly from “jeez, i just spent all this money, i gotta get my money’s worth”). i think the success of any weight loss program is probably more the result of motivation than any other factor. if you don’t put forth the effort, it won’t happen. and brian, extreme zealism is never attractive

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    • Ernie, though I agree with you regarding Brian, (I think the man has anger issues!), you do have some of your facts wrong. IP is a low carb, low fat but MODERATE protein diet. It is not an over abundance of protein that the body converts readily to glucose, but an over abundance of carbohydrates, especially simple starches such as potatoes, white bread, rice etc. I am NOT a medical practitioner or nutritional expert, nor do I sell IP, though I have been on the program since August with great success. It’s structure works for me and many others though, as with anything, it’s not for everyone. My IP ‘coach’ is a lovely person and has helped me tremendously with her knowledge and advice, but I am the person solely responsible for my success. I am the person who chooses what I put in my mouth each day, there is no coach there with me twenty-four/seven motivating me to make healthy choices. I have a list of ‘protocol’ foods that I’m allowed which takes all the guess-work out of weight loss. As I said, such a strict regimen will not work for everyone, but having lost forty pounds in four months, I will sing ip’s praises!

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  97. Wow that was intense
    Kudos to Diana for keeping the thread open. This has helped in the readers ability to make an unbiased dicession
    Kudos to Brian who has been there consistently to counter propose strong argument.

    I have been reading this thread for the last one week and it has helped me come to the conclusion to try out ip. The reason being that unfortunately , iam one of those few grossly overweight individual who lacks a super high amount of decipline time and motivation to stick to exercise and food control due to the nature of my job. The fortunate thing is that, my job allowes me to afford the ip programe. As my job require me to use only my brain sitting in front of a computer, iam at the tipping point where death is got a hold on my legs. Recently diagnosed with diabetic is not helping either. Iam 309.8 lbs today

    So today I joined the ip programe. I think I like my instructed too. I would like to document my experience honestly for the benefit of people like me who have trouble loosing weight because of primarily a lack of energy caused by obesity ( a visious circle)

    I have got all my ip food and supliments yesterday and hope to stick with this starting tomorow. For those who are interested, iam willing to verify who iam . In the end I will weigh in my experience and final 2 cents. Either ip supporters or non supporters are wrong

    Btw, it’s official, iam 159 pounds over weight, my bm I is 36.3

    Diana thanks in advance for approving my post :)

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    • I started IP at just over 309 pounds on September 1st and now just after 4 months of being on the program I have lost 75 pounds. Good luck to you!

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    • To Jais a, I wish you the best on your journey. I found the most amazing IP support group on Facebook, and maybe that would benefit you as well? It’s an Ideal Protein Phase One support group, full of amazing stories and helpful tips; check them out!

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  98. I agree with Diana .this is a bussiness and the people that are for it are apart of the bussiness .weight loss is learning how to eat correctlyhow to move correctly for your body type..loosing weight quickly only brings the fat back faster when you go back to your old habits and most will.

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  99. I heard about this diet at work,I saw the weight loss of the women who was doing it.-When I looked into it-I thought I can not afford to do this for both my husband and my self-So I did a little investigating-I have all the phases (-list of foods you can eat)-and I bought the EAS lean 15 protein powder -, as you can control the amount of protein that way–and Silk Unsweetened Almond milk. You keep adjusting the protein to be 1/2 your body weight daily– My husband and I used phase 1 food and the protein shakes,we both dropped a lot of weight-him 30 lbs,and me 25-We took multi vitamins. Neither of us were hungry during the 1st phase – We made the diet our own- I added a salad at lunch just in case we were hungry-and we had our 3 shakes a day,plus a regular dinner. We both slept better,had more energy all day,and felt vital! I was on 2000 mg of Metformin for Diabetes-and Lovastatin for Chol- I do not take ANY medication now!! The hardest lesson was they say not to work out to much as your caloric intake is low-I have learned that if you don’t work out -you get flabby-so I have adjusted my intake so I can work out-weights are important,also Zumba or other cardio. I say you know your own body best-we don’t and did not buy the IP food,but I have still figured out how to do the diet and make it work for us- I t is not a diet now- it is a sustainable way to live. Good luck to all!

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    • i think that’s just it. there’s nothing groundbreaking about the diet and i suspect that it’s simply an offshoot of the paleo diet but one where the people advocating the diet get a chance to earn money by doing so, by selling it as a program and the foods and supplements involved. the theory that unnecessary carbs are the bane of weight loss and good health has been around for awhile and i think, as someone who has lived a fitness lifestyle for my entire adult life, that a good low carb, lotsa veggies, and adequate protiens and fats diet can be had without the expense and the processed food. i would also be suspicious of the weight losses reported; i can’t see that as being a good thing for the body for a number of reasons. the ip diet’s biggest advantage would seem to be the motivation that it provides, with weekly weigh-ins, coaches, and the fact that you’re paying a large sum of money for this. to use an analogy, my wife decided to learn to play the guitar a few years ago, and as long as she went to her lessons she practised religiously, not so much so when the lessons were over. while practising she had someone to teach and encourage her. research and perseverance would accomplish much the same thing as the ip.

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      • Yeah I agree-It did take us about 6-7 weeks to lose the weight, and we did learn a lot about good food,how to eat healthy food and how it affects our health,so that was a bonus. I had thought I knew how to eat healthy prior to doing a “lifestyle change” but I was gaining weight, not losing–Basically I think that all people have to dig deep if you want something-do your own research and apply the information to fit you and your situation,be persistent! I am definitely not going to pay someone for their food, that I would have to stay on “forever” just to stay at a healthy weight.

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      • You don’t have to stay on ideal protein food forever. What ever made you think that? Ideal protein, voted the most popular diet in America 2015 by diets in review for good reason, teaches people not only how to lose weight but how to eat in proper balance on your own to maintain your weight forever. I know it’s fun to be a skeptoid but ideal protein works and it’s here to stay.

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      • Well as someone one who has done it– I did say it works,and if you do gain a few extra unwanted pounds -you can even go back to the beginning-I also said it taught me a lot about food and healthy foods! I did not state that you had to stay on it forever-I simply stated that I would not do a diet that you had to buy someones food forever to maintain your weight-I do recommend the diet-or life changer to anyone who has tried those type of diets ,and have for that matter. =)

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      • Sorry, my bad. I fully agree that the goal is to find a healthy balance of whole foods to maintain a healthy weight. As somebody who witnesses the benefits of ideal protein on a daily basis I feel I must take umbrage with all the commenters who drop by here to accuse IP of being simply a scheme to grab money from people while misrepresenting the program. Glad you’re having success with it!

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      • Thank You Brian! I am glad we had great results-I had been trying to get off my medication for 7 years,without any luck,so I am grateful for the program!! There is always ONE in every crowd that is against something that actually works and helps people like me. It is hard fighting diabetes, I needed the jump start( especially for my pancreas) and nutrition information that the program offered. So Thank You -and keep up the good work!

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  100. Hello there
    This jais
    Sorry for not updating, it’s been a little over 3 weeks

    Okay, so ideal Protien works , here are my results

    Week 1- lost 11 pounds
    Week 2- lost 7
    Week 3- lost 3.5

    Seems like iam hitting a plateau
    Also some notable things happened in my life
    I was taking 2000 mg meteor min and 4 mg glimpride for my diabetics, after week 1, I stopped both, my sugar levels are textbook perfect, 70 to 110, my sleep apnea is almost gone(says my wife)
    I have came down 1.5 size on shirts,

    The ip clinic measures my inches and they total it telling me I have lost around 30 inches, I don’t agree, while my tummy and neck has lost, my arms are still almost same, (.4) inches.

    I don’t know why iam hitting a plattue, on my second and 3rd week, I used eas shakes as coffee creamer instead of IP Rtd drinks . I don’t know if that is the reason, also my doctor said that I should continue metformin as it wouldn’t affect insulin production.

    This week iam sticking completely with ip products and see if I can get over the platue, also changing a bit of my meal plans for dinner

    So iam not completely convinced, but it works, and when it does, it work like a charm. Now I realize I can do this on my own with other products, but I don’t have the patience or time to plan stuff. Ip takes the guess work out . Also my coach is a lil angry as she says I should be loosing 7 to 20 pounds based on my muscle mass , will update soon

    To skptoids, life is very different for each individual, comments like just work out and get over body weight is absolute stupidity, there’s a point u reach where ur body dosent provide energy to do that. Social and proffesional situation is another issue as well as willpower and determination. If some one on a sinking boat like me can be helped, let it happen and don’t come to conclusions without experiencing somebody else life, please this is a humble request, it’s so much ignorance I see .

    Ps, my chest pains are gone and have lot of energy for my body, but my brain seems to lag behind a couple seconds

    Sorry for the typo , doing this on a phone, will update soon, cheers

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  101. I am a personal trainer and weight loss specialist and I will fire any of my clients who do the Ideal protein diet. I have yet to see one person sustain their weight loss and most if not all gain back more weight than they lost in the first place. Any program that is unsustainable and does not include a sensible exercise program will never work. Eat whole, nutritious foods and exercise. Boom.

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    • Hi Trisha, just have to say your attitude is why a lot of overweight/obese people avoid personal trainers. You have no idea of the inner struggles a person has. I have done the ideal protein program and have lost over 100 lbs in 8 months. I have maintained that loss for the last 6 months and now go for a 3 mile walk and make sure I get at least a total of 5 miles a day. I could not have done this without IP. I have been overweight all of my life and had tried many other times with many other programs, including reduced calories and increased exercise they would work for about 30lbs then plateau, IP broke through that barrier. Others who have been on it, at the clinic I go to, have maintained their weight loss for over a year. My doctor is impressed with the results as he says if it works for you do it, we are not all built the same. I feel sorry for your clients that you do not encourage them to make the choices that work for them and help them in their journey. Boom

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      • At 16 years old I weighed approx 340lb, was around 5’10” and couldn’t lift 100lbs to save my life and a doctor told me at the rate I was headed I would t make it to 30 years old. Needless to say it was eye opening. 2 years later I lost 140lbs with diet, exercise and even became a personal trainer. I have studied nutrition and have plenty of experience in the matter. There is no magic with ideal protein, you eat around 1000 calories a day, most of which is protein with very little fat or carbs. So of course you will lose weight, the thing is IP provides people with structure and a plan. They have to go see a “coach” every week and weigh in and have measurements taking. I believe the system IP provides helps a lot of people stay on track. What a person does afterward is their own doing. IP try’s to teach people what to do after they complete the diet. They also recommend exercise once you phase off the first part of the diet. The problem is one did not become obese in the first place with good habits and it’s hard not to revert back to those habits. A “diet” is not short term, it has to be for life and of course nobody wants to eat packaged diet products forever but they do teach you how to eat afterward, it is up to the individual to follow through for LIFE. Healthy eating and exercise has to be a part of everyday life in order to sustain weight loss for someone who is prone to obesity. Unfortunately after my weight loss I began bar tending for 7 years or so and let myself go with drinking, eating junk and not exercising anymore. This was 10 years or so after my initial weight loss. I kept telling myself I was going to get back at it but continued to push it back. Some family and friends lost weight with IP and recommended it. At first I though I don’t need that, but I finally caved and went to check it out. Being able to go see a coach, weigh in, take measurements every week and buy their food helped stay locked in and keep on the plan.I started the IP and it has helped tremendously even though I’ve done it on my own before this is still a very helpful program, but it’s not to say you cannot do it without the program. This just may make it easier for someone to stick with it. But again it’s a life change, your diet is a lifestyle. I lost the weight and am back to working out. It’s up to me to keep it off, not ideal protein. BOOM

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  102. Diana, I agree with you. Also IP is made with soy, which is a goitrogen and very bad for the thyroid. I used to be a vegan and then a vegetarian. Soy and other goitrogen foods damaged my thyroid. I also tried Medifast, which just made my thyroid condition worse. I liked the comment about getting a nutritionist and a trainer. Eating normal foods and NOT dieting, but eating foods that are healthy for you is the way to go. It is about long term, not short term. That is why so many people are in a mess. They gorge themselves, then diet, then stuff themselves again. It doesn’t work long term.

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    • IP is not “made with soy”. There are SOME IP foods with SOME soy yes. All IP portions are relatively small anyhow so there is no “soy overdose concern.

      Of course the optimal situation is to eat properly and balanced for a life time and that is the goal of Ideal Protein. It’s not just a weight loss program.

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  103. It does work but do your due diligence. If you were diagnosed with breast cancer like I just was, or you are going through menopause, check ingredients. Most of their packaged food contains forms of soy which is not good for anyone going through cancer or menopause. My oncology nurse told me to stay away from products containing soy because it raises estrogen levels. They may tell you that the packets contain very little but when you’re eating them throughout the day, it adds up. Just sayin’.

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    • Research on soy and breast cancer is mixed. While it seems that there’s no reason for women with breast cancer to avoid soy-based foods (such as tofu, edamame, and soy milk) the Canadian Cancer Society does advise breast cancer survivors avoid soy supplements (and soy-based protein powders).

      As for soy and menopause, it was once touted as a treatment for hot-flashes. However, research has not supported this. There is no evidence to suggest that women going through menopause need avoid soy products though.

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  104. I’ve just started the ideal program because I have tried every other method out there including watching my portions and cutting out all junk food. The ideal program has had great success with persons loosing weight. It’s not that expensive when you compare prices to buying all your foods. Each packet cost roughly around 4$ each and the ingredients are in the boxes. I admit I felt horrible on day 2 but it was because I was no longer eating sugars or caffeine. I am following the program and in not hungry at the end of the day. The meals are filling and leave me feeling satisfied. No not all of the meals taste great but there are plenty of choices to choose from.

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  105. Am in phase II, after 3 months of being on IP. I was having a hard time losing the weight i gained after stopping smoking, and found I needed the structure that IP provides to do so. Am happy with my response: weight loss of about 2# per week (not bad for a postmenopausal old coot), feel well, and was hungry only for about 3-4 days after I started the program. Am most happy with my response to veggies: who knew i would like them so much? Am hoping this will help me maintain the weight loss. Not sure if this will help anyone considering IP, as i am not yet in maintenance, but am pleased so far.

    I giggled a lot reading the blog posts! Thanks for the forum, Diana.

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  106. A while back I was trying to decide about this IP program, to potentially go onboard as a coach. I had worked for several well known and successful programs in the past, and studied nutrition and fitness. The more I researched I kept getting this feeling that it was more of marketing scam that expected unattainable perfection from their clients. I am a firm believer in finding out what the driving factors are behind the food issues in a safe atmosphere, and IP seemed to just want to give their pat answers to everything and sell more product. I am for nutritional balance with foods as whole as possible; and to be allowed some occasional and planned indulgences. Activity, with an MD’s guidance for those who have been sedentary or continued physical activity for those who are already active! Not putting oneself at risk by climbing stairs and trying to subsist and concentrate on a starvation diet! Appropriate structure is great…but planned deprivation; until the weight loss goal is achieved is nothing short of Russian Roulette. Cutting out whole food groups and lumping simple and complex carbs in the same vat is ridiculous.

    http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/humans-need-carbohydrates-healthy-6670.html :
    Carbohydrates are the body’s main fuel source. The brain and nervous system require a constant supply of glucose from carbohydrates in order to function optimally. Muscles also use and store glucose to provide the main fuel during physical activity. According to the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, consuming a minimum of 130 grams of dietary carbohydrate each day is necessary just to keep your body and brain functioning optimally. Daily recommendations dictate that carbohydrates should make up the foundation of any healthful diet and provide 45 to 65 percent of total daily calories.

    There were a number of things about the “pitch” that really flew flags for me as they really didn’t want people with professional experience or education in the field, but marketing people who will not ask questions and do what they tell you: verbatim. IMHO they want the client to become dependent on the program, packaged foods and their coach. A person really becomes successful and engenders lifelong better eating habits that are sustainable if they are interacted with in a way that builds their own skills and confidence in their own supported efforts.The overall attitude I experienced was arrogance, condescension, maligning put downs of any other program (no matter how sound that program was with YEARS of success) and any intelligent question about ketosis or anything else was harpooned or answered with a snide other question.

    It was like “swallow the propaganda whole…and sell sell sell!” I can’t shame people for making mistakes and struggling…that only begets disconnection and failure. I will not manipulate people for profit…I cannot betray my own personal ethics as I have empirical knowledge contrary to the “sales pitch”! I’m so glad I found this blog as they pretty much have the first GOOGLE page filled with glowworms. Thanks! And keep taking a “Bite outta Slime!”

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  107. My experience with IP, granted as a customer rather than a prospective coach, does not reflect your experience, Darla. My coach is an RN. She has had chances to sell me more “product”, but hasn’t. She doesn’t shame. I don’t know about corporate mentality, but her mentality shines.

    Am finishing phase 3, and still very much enjoying veggies, and now complex carbs. Fruit is a wonderful thing!

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    • Hi Barbara, Well I believe the arrogant attitude and marketing “zeal” has been coming from some of the corporate investors. I am reevaluating the program as a coach and my experiences in wt loss and nutrition, and this program may be just the right turn for some people and situations. The corporate person that really turned me off didn’t field questions well and pretty much had an elitist attitude. I do like that even in phase 1 a person may have some normal foods, and has an array of choices.

      I imagine that it must be awesome to have fruit and complex carbs again! :D

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    • Believe me start working out now!!!

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      • You do not need to “start working out now.” on ideal protein. That is not good advice. No exercise is necessary to lose weight quickly on ideal protein. That said you WILL lose weight faster if you do work out and getting into a habit of exercise is critical for optimal health in the long run.
        Also the intensity of exercise must be reduced to an intensity that will not get you out of breath. Otherwise you will break down muscle, suffer from a lack of energy, experience hunger or worse you could pass out.

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  108. It does work. It worked for me, 52 lbs in 5 months, 4 years ago. I have since gained back 30 lbs. Why? Because I did not start exercising immediately once I lost this weight. I should have. I did start exercising two years ago with intense zumba 4-5 times week, but even with that I have gainede another 10. And I still don’t eat 2000 calories every day!

    I am starting this again but this time I will exercise, I will not stop zumba, not even in phase 1. If I have to I will eat more protein when I feel the need to.

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  109. Oh and I highly reccommend all coaches instruct all their clients to go work out once they rach their goal otherwise they may not realize this on their own! I wish my coach had reinforced it! One of my friends did, and I didn’t listen….not until the weight was already coming back on. :(

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  110. Ideal protein WORKS, like many other diet plans but it wont work on people who are unmotivated and are just not dedicated, its that simple! Oh nd for me which im not a “nutritionist” yes i need help getting things done right nd making better choices, so YES ideal protein has had a great impact in my life and a few others i personally know. Also i am already learning how to shop, prepare, eat and order out in a healthy manner nd im only in phase 1😜

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  111. I am a wellness coach and personally believe that a balanced diet and some form of exercise is the ticket to a healthy and fulfilling life. I have a condition that requires me to take medication that adds the pounds on. When I was diagnosed with diabetes years ago I made a change in my diet and I started Moving! I lost 50 pounds and hit a platoue. I joined a gym, hired a personal trainer at $350.00 a month plus my gym membership of $20.00 a month for a total of $370 a month and on top of that any of the post workout shakes I would get at $7 a pop. It was hard work because it’s a continual battle with my meds trying to put the weight back on but I lost another 41 pounds for a total of 91 pounds and reversed my diabetes. I still had 50 to go but had been shelling out so much money, a total of around $9,000 for two years that I decided to drop the personal training. I worked out 3 times a week and started making shakes at home for a lot cheaper. I kept it off until I quit smoking where I gained 40 back. At this point in my life I am unwilling to put myself through another 2 years of intense training and another $9,000. As well as a lot of the training was not good on my knees or ankles and went through a lot of pain in that time frame. Skip to last year I started going to a chiropractor for lower back pain who has a balanced health philosophy that includes weight management, supplements, adjustments, exercise and eating healthy foods. I saw a notice for one of the IP meetings in his office and decided to go see what all the hub was about. I liked what I saw. For an initial investment of $350 I receive all my scans, visits, weigh-ins and coaching sessions for as long as I am on the protocol plus that included my first month of supplements and first week of food. When I received the first weeks food I did see that they used Splenda (Sucrolose) as the sweetener in most of the foods (but not all) and I am not a proponent of artificial sweeteners. I believe they are unhealthy and although it is reported that Splenda doesn’t spike insulin I don’t believe they are good for diabetics in general (or non-diabetics for that matter) I prefer natural Stevia extract and that’ what I recommend to my clients.

    With that said, I will be on phase 1 for 80 pounds. I did not do strength training again until the 3rd or 4th week so I don’t increase any lean muscle loss. But after that I went back to strength training twice a week and Zumba three times a week. In the first week of IP I lost 9 pounds and the second 4 pounds ( I was sick with the flu so retaining water). After the first month I am down 27 pounds. If I go on the conservative side I will probably be in Phase 1 for another 3 to 4 months. Not long enough to be worried about the artificial sweeteners or the processed packets. The food has a good variety and if you know your way around a kitchen or are willing to learn you can do a lot with the vegetables. They also have a cookbook where the chef shows some excellent ways to use their food with your own for some awesome meals. I still use Stevia for other things like iced tea (decaf) until I am able to add it back into my diet for good. I will go through all 4 phases even though I am a certified nutritionist and help diabetics change how they eat, their relationship with food and how they move. I would not hesitate to recommend Ideal Protein to my clients to lose the weight first even though it will take business from me because they get their own coach in the protocol at a fraction of the cost of hiring me.

    I want people to be healthy. I want to see the US change how it eats and moves and the FDA to wake up. But I don’t see it happening anytime soon so we take the tools that are available to us and work them. If you can lose the weight and learn how to make the adjustment to healthy carbs and fats and the best time and combination to eat them and how to sustain that then why wouldn’t you? That’s exactly what IP does and all the people posting over and over again about sustainability have not looked at the protocol closely enough or aren’t understanding it.

    Be well!

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  112. I have started Ideal protein lifestyle changing program about one week ago. Since I have started I feel better and much healthier. Yes there are restrictions but what I like about the program is how easy it is to adapt to a very busy life. I own a retail store and was eating alot of what I thought was good for me foods, “Wrong”. This plan you are eating very healthy vegetables and mixing them with the protein soups makes them nutritious and delicious. The program gives you a good base to start with and then as you build regular food back into the plan hopefully you will have learned how to re eat properly

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  113. I started ideal protein 6 weeks ago, and have gone from 242lbs to 212lbs. I’m your average 43 year old male. I just had my annual physical and my blood pressure was 108/75. Perfect. I’m only getting up one time during the night to go to the bathroom, instead of 4-5 times. My wife was scared and driving me crazy because she thought I had sleep apnea and would stop breathing during the night. I don’t need a nap in the afternoon anymore, my energy level is through the roof. I feel incredible. I’ve spoken to an Oncologist, Radiologist, Physicians assistant, family DR, and a chiropractor, and everyone says it’s a great healthy diet. I’m very skeptical by nature. It’s the easiest way I’ve used to lose weight, hands down. I’ve read on here people saying how expensive it is. By me its around $90/week for the food. That’s 3 packets a day for 7 days, or 21 meals. At first I thought it was expensive too, but when I realized it’s under $5/meal (besides the veggies and protein), that’s actually cheap compared to what I would normally spend per meal. Unless you eat at Taco Bell everyday. I’m saving money and losing weight. The negative comments I’ve seen on here are usually from people that haven’t actually used the program. Listen to those who have tried it. I personally think it’s great, and YES they teach you how to eat properly for when you phase off, after you’ve hit your ideal weight. You get a coach during the program at no cost. Just food cost. It’s sooooo worth it. No contracts to sign. It’s a no brainer. And no I don’t work for ideal protein and I am not a coach. I’ve had 7 friends go on the program and ALL have had success. I was one of the last to try it. Loving life!!!

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  114. I agree with you that yes you are buying the food but you are not buying take out which costs you more in money and your health. If you have not tried the BBQ chips you have to they are not even a restricted food. I am trying to convince one of my male friends to try it out so I am going to let him read your post and hopefully it will convince him.

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  115. Sandra– Have your friend look at the Facebook groups called Ideal Protein. You have tons of people on there as testimonials. The program works! And it’s easy to follow, if you have any discipline. Janevas cookbook has made it WAY easier to follow. Without it I might have gotten bored already and quit. Her recipes are awesome. I just made the Big Mac Meatloaf from her cookbook. OMG!!! It tastes just like a Big Mac, which I love. Good luck convincing your friend. He has to want to do it for himself, otherwise he’ll quit. Make an agreement for him to do it for 30 days. He’ll see first hand that it works. I lost 24lbs in the first 30 days, I started at 242lbs. I’m 5 11″.

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  116. Yes I will make a deal with my friend to join for 30 days and see what happens. I will check next week when I go to the centre to see if they have the cookbook Thx Again

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  117. I’ve already bought the IP food and will be starting the program on Monday. I’m excited but also scared; what if I’m the anomaly that it doesn’t work for? I don’t know how good my coach is. He is very enthusiastic and encouraging, he doesn’t push products on me but I don’t know how knowledgeable he is in terms of teaching me about food and its effect on the pancreas, insulin highs and lows, how different foods are processed by your body differently, and most importantly how learn the methods necessary to continue onto real life past IP and still maintain the weight loss.

    It sounds like some of you had amazing coaches but I’m not sure if I’m that fortunate. I guess we’ll see. I’ll also join the IP group on FB and see if I can learn more from there.

    Not everything works for everyone, however when you’re at the stage I’m in – I am 70 lbs overweight, pre-diabetic, always exhausted / lethargic, and have a cloud of defeat hovering over my head – you’ll be willing to try anything (and I’m barely 30!).

    I will try this wholeheartedly and see how it works for me.

    Diana – THANK YOU SO MUCH for creating this blog and allowing this conversation! I actually enjoyed reading through the entire thread and loved how passionate people are about their beliefs (regardless if they’re pro / against IP). Bottom line, everyone cares enough to want to help the other. Thank you for allowing this platform :)

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    • You’re welcome. I find it funny that people are still commenting on this post but I’m glad that it’s helping people to decide )either way). Best of luck!

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    • Stop being so negative, that it might not work for you. The program works, IF you follow it. I haven’t seen one comment about anyone saying that it didn’t work for them, but I’m sure they are out there. Either those people have a medical issue or aren’t being honest with themselves about following the program. Talk to 5 DR’s, that’s what I did, and see what they say. Everyone of them said it was a great way to lose weight. Sure, you could eat a balanced diet and workout, but why haven’t you done that up until this point? Most people need a very simple plan to follow, not to become a nutritionist. It’s so simple, a dummy could follow it. 7 friends have done the plan, all have had success. Stick to it for 30days, all questions will be answered by results.

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      • I don’t think Becky was being negative. It’s also not going to work for everyone. 30 days tells you very little. It’s more like 3 years to see how effective a weight loss effort is long-term.

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      • Telling yourself that you hope you’re not the anomaly that it won’t work for is not the best mindset IMO. Telling yourself that it’s going to work is a better way to start any program. Most weight problems are caused by the wrong mindset and lack of discipline, we are all guilty of it. Long term is up to the individual to not go back to their old habits. Nobody can prevent that but the individual. The first 30days will show if it’s working or not, who wants to wait 3 years to judge a program. Once you lose the weights it’s up to YOU to keep it off, not any program. People yoyo with weight because they fall back to their old habits, I’ve done it myself. Until you take person responsibility for your actions, no program will work long term. Healthy eating is a way of life. Ideal Protein is a great way to lose the weight safely and quickly, under a Dr’s supervision. My wife is a nurse and all the Dr’s and nurses in her clinic support the program.

        Becky– It will work for you, I have no doubt. You got this. Check back in 30-60days and let us know how’s it going. If you’re on Facebook become a member of “Ideal Protein Supporters Phase 1 Group.” It’s a great support system and sharing of recipes. I would HIGHLY recommend buying Janeva’s cookbook. She’s a lady that did Ideal Protein and had great success. She then wrote an entire cookbook (300 recipes?) based on healthy eating and following Ideal Protein’s program. It’s like $35. Check out her site. http://www.janevasidealrecipes.com. We use the cookbook every night for dinner. It’s a MUST have to make your life easier on Ideal Protein, and after. The recipes are amazing. We have learned to use vegetables in ways that are both healthy and taste incredible. I know, it’s hard to believe but it’s true. I was never a big veggie person, but learning about things like Turnip Fries and Cauliflower Rice have made a huge difference. I know, sounds weird and maybe gross….trust me…they are delicious when done correctly. It’s about learning to eat healthy as a long term lifestyle. Good luck, you got this!!!

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      • I’m not sure if you’re telling me about how to manage my weight or what. As a healthy weight registered dietitian I am fully aware that weight management involves lifestyle change. I’m also aware that the causes of obesity and weight gain are diverse and complicated. It’s not all about personal responsibility and adherence.

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  118. I submitted a request to join the IP Supporters phase 1 group on facebook but it has yet to be approved… I messaged all three admins, so let’s see what happens.
    Meanwhile I also bought the Janeva’s Phase 1 cook book. My biggest problem is I get super hungry and lose motivation near the end of the day so I thought if perhaps I could have something sort of good / filling to eat at the end of the day I won’t be inclined to go off my diet.

    Sorry I guess I am pessimistic. I am my own worst enemy sometimes…

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    • I can’t give you specific advice Becky, ethics prohibit that. I will say that in weight management many people start off the day feeling virtuous and eat too little in the morning only to end up ravenous by late afternoon or evening and then overeating. Many people benefit from eating a larger breakfast.

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  119. It doesnt make you lose water weight. We have a $3K machine that tells us their fat percentage lost. I think you should do more research…Sure you can go to the store and buy hummus but you dont absorb all the protein. Ideal protein was #1 diet in 2015 and you absorb 95% of the protein where as with animal meat you only absorb 70%…The only time it doesnt work for people is if they dont follow the protocol. The “packaged” food is not proccess this stuff is as clean as it gets and is made in a lab where the test for heavy metals more than once a day. The packaging keeps it fresh and keeps the protein from oxidation which breaks down the protein…EVERYONE needs to go to an IDEAL PROTEIN WORKSHOP near you so you can ask these questions to people whove gone though it, done their training and actual medical doctors and stop listening to people who obviously know nothing about it.

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    • I’d say that dietitians know more about nutrition than an IP coach. Blaming individuals for “failing” at a diet is not productive.

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      • I am a dietitian, nurse, and IP coach. After 20 years of working in the health and wellness field, I have never seen anything work as well as Ideal Protein. Some people disregard it as another “fad” diet because of the products. I did my research on this diet and even tried it myself before I decided to work as a coach. I lost 25 lbs in 2 months and had more energy than I’d ever had. My back pain went away and my skin glowed. My clients have gone off their diabetes, blood pressure, and cholesterol meds. The diet is about losing body fat which is a very healthy way to lose weight. Most of my clients have maintained their weight loss because they have more lean mass which burns more calories than fat. This is a proven and scientific method for not only losing weight but improving health outcomes and quality of life. Please don’t knock a diet simply because of the packaged foods. I think you would be impressed by the results if you tried it. I know other nurses, dietitians, and physicians who highly recommend this diet.

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      • Dietitian’s have gone through university and have obtained at least one degree. I’d really like to see some of these coaches tell their qualifications. You are spot on Diana

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      • Thanks Helena :)

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      • IP coaches are only responsible for instructing the dieters on the details of the IP protocol. They are not and nor do they claim to be dieticians. IP is also not a substitute for seeking the professional help of a registered dietician.

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  120. Drastic times call for drastic measures. If you wan to lose weight, you have to go hardcore. From someone who has competed in 45+ triathlons, competed in bodybuilding, etc. If you want a 6 pack, you have to earn it. There’s no half way. IP works.

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  121. I lost 30+ lbs on IP 3 years ago and gained it all back. The reasons for this are multiple and I won’t go into them here. I have since focused my energies on exercises I enjoy and worked to incorporate as many fruits and vegetables into my diet as possible – regardless of their position on the glycemic index. Tomatoes are not the enemy. I am less concerned with the scale and more concerned with making sure what I put in my body is wholesome and nourishing.

    Here are my concerns about ANY diet, like IP, that restricts calories to such an extreme low – it damages your metabolism, some studies say for years and even life.

    See how the Biggest Losers are doing now. Not well, most of them. And the ones that are are working out at an insane level just to keep their balance in check.

    I am recently, in the last year or so, noticing that despite my relatively clean diet and impressive exercise regimen that I just do not seem to burn as many calories a day as a normal woman my age, height, weight, etc… I attribute this to essentially starving myself for 3 months on IP 4 YEARS AGO.

    There’s a better way, people, I promise.

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  122. Hi Ashley,
    I would suggest having your thyroids checked. I’m not saying what you said isn’t true, everyone reacts differently and that’s just how life is, but just to error on the safe side I would get thyroid checked if I was you. And speak to your doctor about what you are doing and the results you’re getting. Perhaps there might be an underlying cause that he can help you identify. Good luck!

    About IP: I semi started it… Rather I started it and am getting used to it. It’s been all of three days so nothing to get excited about :) One thing though is my coach doesn’t know about the weekly videos IP users are supposed to get. Apparantly its a US thing (I’m in Canada). Why when the protocol, program and company is the same, are users being treated differently based on their country?

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    • You can sign into your IP account and look at any of the videos. They are all there. In the US we get them emailed as well.

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      • I wasn’t given an IP account. I went to see my coach yesterday but he wasn’t there. I’m expecting to hear back from him today.

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  123. Brian,
    I ‘m curious as to the formula for exercise you keep pointing out on this thread. How was this determined as a standard calculation for not burning muscle during exercise while on IDP?

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  124. From what I gathered from this blog was, is it sustainable? Where are tye people that have done this 3+years ago? I haven’t seen anyone on this thread that’s been 3 yrs plus after ideal protein stating whether they have kept it off? I’ve seen 2 posts where ppl have gained back the weight but none confirming that it has stayed off, maybe I missed a post (?)

    The only “diet” or lifestyle change that I have found that makes sense really is trim healthy mama. It’s free (you can purchase their book for $30) and any food types are what you find in regular grocery stores or health food stores (they do sell their own). They suggest cycling meals of fats and carbs as in don’t have high fat and high carb meals together so you are only giving your body one fuel soucre at a time to utilize. Ie. High carb meal (still should be under 45g for that meal and a complex carb not refined) also keep fat at 5 g or less for that meal on only. Then 3 hrs later you can have a high fat meal but keep carb at 10g or less. Alway have protein with your meals and no sugars unless they’re plant based ie. Stevia, Xylitol.

    Seems to make sense to me. I’ve followed their facebook group and a lot of people have lost weight and kept it off (2+ years) because you can eat whole foods not pre -packaged stuff. Bottom line it’s still a lifestyle change and one has make sure he or she can commit to whichever path they choose. Cheers☺

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  125. Ive lost 90 pounds, half of it on IP. I love this program, I grew up with a brother with crohns, doctors almost killed him then a natural path swooped in a saved his life. Because of the strict diet my mother put us on I was raised with no sugar, breads, and dairy in my house. It took a toll on my younger self because when I moved out I got BIG! I knew how to eat right, I knew about nutrition so I applied my knowledge and lost about 35 pounds in a year. I was still over weight but my body wasn’t letting go anymore. after 3 years of not losing anymore, doing the same old eat less, exercise more, eat right…..Nothing. Then the best day of my life….I found Ideal Protein. I lost the rest of my weight in 2 month. I have never been a size 2 and now I am. Not only that but I learnt how to cook, how to combine food properly, how I gain fat, how to lose fat and how to maintain. I have maintained for 2 years, the biggest thing for me was how much it improved my mental health. I am 100% not the same person I once was….thank god for that and thank god for ideal protein <3

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  126. Just curious …all of those in 2014 who commented….have you kept all that weight off???

    I am down just over 150lbs and guess what?? I didn’t use Ideal Protein LOL…I am a clean eater….I eat vegetables and fruits and I eat carbs…. I have not had surgery!

    For me it’s been a long journey and I am doing it….I am very careful to ensure that I don’t make any major changes and starve my body. I have changed my life…

    In the past I have tried diet plans…while friends were loosing 50lbs plus on weight diet plans in 3 -4 months I lost 10lbs …. amazing thing is that 10lbs hasn’t come back…they have all gained their weight back and more besides!

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    • Why do people feel the need to put others down because they have lost weight in a different way? Is IP for everyone? No. But it could be. It will work for anyone because it’s based on science, how our bodies work. I have lost 25 pounds in 8 weeks and my partner has lost 40. (Ugh so jealous of how men lose so fast!). IP takes you through phases back to eating balanced and healthy. If you eat right on the maintenance you will not gain it back. Again it’s science. It also reverses a lot of conditions like diabeties and high blood pressure just to name a couple. My partners blood pressure was high and he was on a high dose of meds. Over the 8 weeks he has come down to the lowest dose you can take and will be off them altogether in a couple of weeks.

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      • Cheryl- that’s not an answer to the original question. I don’t think the comment is criticizing people who lose weight in any manner. I have yet to see any documented and scientific data that empirically shows how many people lost how much weight and how long they kept it off. That’s the gold standard for any study – documented information compiled by a third independent party that allows everyone to see the results over time. All I have seen are comments by people involved with IP with no hard facts to back them up. You wouldn’t run a drug study that way, why not subject this plan to the same rigorous standards? This is an expensive program requiring an enormous amount of willpower. What I would like to see are verified statistics that lay out how many people started IP, how many dropped out, what was the average weight loss, how long did they maintain that weight loss, and so on. Empirical, verified statistics – not comments by people with a vested interest (even if it’s just using the program) in IP.

        I know that I, personally, could not follow any plan as restrictive as IP. I’ve done the old Atkins diet with great success – several times. But a year or two later I’m right back,where I started from. I have no reason to expect it would be any different with IP, expect that I would have paid a lot for the experience.

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    • July will mark my 2 year anniversary on IP maintenance and I have maintained my 50 lb weight loss. I am planning to go back on it to lose another 20 lbs quickly to reach my final goal weight of 130 lbs. The program works. It wasn’t voted top diet in 2016 for nothing.

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      • Glad you lost weight on it, Jacquip. It may be a popular diet, but there is no such thing as the “most popular diet.” Anyone can claim anything as there doesn’t appear to be any way to judge popularity. Claims like this diminish the fact that you were so successful. Sounds too. I have like a sales pitch.

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  127. I have not read everyone’s comments here, as there are MANY. I would like to know if anyone has read Dr. Chanh’s book? It clearly lays out the plan and our relationship to food. He makes it clear that the Phase I of the plan is only until you reach your weight loss goals, then you reintroduce foods that you have been asked to avoid. He eventually has you eating very healthy portions and food choices to maintain the weight loss. Most of us eat mindlessly, especially when we go out with friends or to events, after all, food is considered the celebration of friends and family or a reward for whatever. Changing that pattern is difficult and it is natural for us to be resistant to the adjustments, this is true with anything new. What I think is great about this plan is that it makes sense scientifically and it keeps you from losing lean muscle mass. I am going to be signing up for this plan with a physician to watch over me. I am hypothyroid which makes it very difficult if not impossible to lose weight, so my plan will have to be designed specifically for my medical condition as Dr. Chanh mentions in his book. There is also, a cookbook that can be purchased on Amazon. This is no the Adkins diet.

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    • Janelgo, since you are hypothyroid, I’d like to recommend that you research Hashimoto’s, since about 95% of hypothyroidism is caused by Hashimoto’s (autoimmune thyroiditis). Try starting at http://www.thyroidpharmacist.com. I haven’t read Dr. Chanh’s book, sorry, but I’m jumping in because I know from all my reading, my experience, and the stories of others that going on a strict calorie-restricted diet such as IP (I tried it years ago) will almost certainly backfire and make your hypothyroidism worse and/or cause you to gain more weight. I can’t take time to tell my own long story, but IP was only one of the things I tried as I was searching, searching, searching for a way to get off the weight that mysteriously returned after I lost 65 pounds in a year. I had kept it off for a year and couldn’t understand why I was gaining, since my eating habits hadn’t changed. Even when I started cutting back, I kept gaining…no matter what I tried. I lost a tiny bit on IP but I was miserably hungry and it wasn’t anything like the results they promised. And it came right back. Now I know my Hashimoto’s must have started sometime before that and made it virtually impossible to lose.

      What I’ve learned since then is that autoimmunity is triggered by stress, and stress can be a lot of different things, including strict dieting. Your adrenals get stressed when you eat too few calories or too few carbohydrates for a period of time, and that can lead to thyroid problems. The less you eat, the more stressed your body is, the worse your health, the more you gain…and on and on. Strenuous exercise is also stressful, so sometimes women gain even more weight when they work out. Adrenal stress alone is enough to make us pack on the pounds and make it virtually impossible to lose (try the easy quiz at http://www.adrenalquiz.com). But thyroid problems are the last straw. Anyway, I don’t mean to be discouraging; I’m just hoping to save you another rabbit trail, wasted time and money, and more discouragement if strict dieting doesn’t produce the results you’re looking for. I’ve been there, done that, and so have many others.

      May I encourage you to join the Hashimoto’s 411 group on Facebook? I’ve learned so much there in the last 3 years and am actually a moderator now. Which doesn’t mean I know everything–far from it! It just means I help maintain the page. But some of the other mods are super-smart. Healing your gut, healing your adrenals, reducing stress, addressing deficiencies, and various other tactics have been very helpful to thousands there. Being healthy is not all about losing weight, but losing weight is a common side effect.

      As for me, after a lot of reading, sort of “working my way backward” from addressing symptoms to finding actual causes, I finally decided the most likely cause of my autoimmunity was my mouthful of silver amalgam fillings. Those are 50% mercury, and mercury is very often implicated in autoimmune disease. Watch some of the mercury documentaries on YouTube for an overview. There can be other “root causes,” as described in Izabella’s book (first link above), but heavy metals are a big one. I decided to have my fillings safely replaced by an IAOMT dentist (see http://www.iaomt.org). I’m working with a consultant on detoxing (www.heavymetalrn.com), and I am thrilled to say that three months after the last fillings came out, I’ve lost more than 10 pounds. My eating and exercise habits haven’t changed. There were no guarantees, but I’m so thankful to see these results already. I had thyroid labs done before removal and will have more done in maybe 6 months, and I hope I’ll see the evidence for improvement there, too.

      I don’t know what the blog owner, Diana, thinks of all this, but I am sharing my personal experiences and opinions hoping they might be a step on someone else’s path. There was a time, when I was young and un-toxic (ha), when all I had to do was eat less and move more, and my weight would regulate itself. I didn’t blame anyone but myself if I started bursting my buttons. But it has been humbling and enlightening to learn that our toxic world, with various kinds of endocrine disruptors and other challenges, can make someone fat even if they eat very little. I’ve learned not to judge by appearance when I see a grossly obese person, because I know people are usually judging me for overeating my way back to my top weight, and I know for a fact that I didn’t!

      I’d better stop rambling now. =)

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  128. I will not take anything g sold via an MLM…they are almost always shoddy products and scams. These people on here peddling IP probably sold Herbalife when it was the “sure thing” back in the day.
    People – there are a million ways to achieve weight loss! Crash diets like IP are not it.

    And to all the “experts” and”coaches” listen, we get it, you get paid when you sell us thus BS. Stop parading in here like you are an expert. And you have the nerve to be talking down to a dietician who is espousing sensible, long term sustainable weight loss???!
    If you don’t have peer reviewed studies, and clinical trials, and scientific assessment it’s ALL BS.
    that’s how MLMs work – if you have an “Independant” contractor telling you what they experienced it a “testimonial” it’s an opinion and not fact and therefore NOT required to be FDA approved. Any product sold in this way is a scam.

    I bet it Jason’s of those warning labels “not intended to treat disease or for weight loss”

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    • Actually you really need to get your facts checked–I am not an Md of any type–but I certainly found all the information I needed about IP, YES it does work! It does take you off the shakes and onto a portioned control healthy eating plan for life. TRY RESEARCH!!

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      • This post is several years old now. Perhaps there is more information available now or perhaps the information that you found satisfactory, I might not. Feel free to share the wealth of quality research that you found if you’re so inclined.

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    • IP is neither MLM or a “crash diet” and is supported by peer reviewed science.

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  129. I recently started IP a week ago and my first weigh in I loss 5 lbs, this diet offers a lot of vegetable choices with some being unlimited. If you research the program or go to a workshop near you that offers this program it will educate you about how food breaks down in your system. I was going to the gym daily, changing how I ate and the scale would not budge. I got fed up and my first weigh in was proof that this helps. For those that are hungry, a food scale is a must!!! I did my research before I committed to this program, so I had all the tools mentally and in my kitchen for this to work for me. No one program is for everyone, so nobody needs to knock what has worked for others. Ideal Protein makes sense and I have became very creative with its foods. They have a Rotini that I now can make pasta salad with by adding an abundance of veggies and my protein. You have to be creative. I eat 3 of their meals a day, my protein, veggies and extra veggies for snacks and drink plenty of water and have not gotten hungry yet. We all know at some point when you achieve your weight loss, you have to live a healthy lifestyle without the program. This program is simply a tool to jump-start your health goals and for you to have a different mindset about foods and your health. Its no magic pill but it works and after your goal hopefully you will know what portions are as well as moderation. I still walk daily with light weights, so the”no” exercise thing just means not a lot of intensity. This will help you once you come off to still be accustomed to exercising but you can take it up a notch once your goal is met. Hopefully all of this helps you create a lifestyle of living healthy. Good luck to all that are on IP and whatever program has worked for you that has helped you maintain your goal. This program is a tool if everyone could understand that before being so judgmental. Good luck to all!

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  130. By the way, Diana, I tried and tried to post my most recent comment and it didn’t work till I switched from Firefox to Chrome. So strange. At first I thought it was too long, or that maybe I wasn’t allowed to use links, but everything I tried didn’t work. Then I thought of the browser because that’s happened in the past. Just FYI! On the other hand, I’m on an old computer using WinXP, so it could be that or something else.

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    • Was it your first comment on my blog? The first time a person comments I have to approve it before it’s visible to the public and I only just checked my email right now and saw comments waiting for approval. Hopefully it will be smoother now!

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      • No, it wasn’t the first comment. That’s partly why I was surprised, because we had a little exchange about this above (search for my username). The short comment yesterday about browsers posted immediately, and the longer one was delayed for approval. But the strange thing was that in Firefox, clicking “Post Comment” did absolutely nothing!

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      • I didn’t think that it was (it wouldn’t let me search your username so I couldn’t be certain though). Very strange. I had a different long comment show-up in my inbox but when I went to approve it, it wasn’t there. Must have been a glitch with WordPress. Hopefully it’s sorted itself out. Thanks for persevering!

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      • I really admire your attentiveness to your blog! So many times I see long strings of important questions unanswered on other people’s blog posts. To find my username on the page, you should be able to just click Ctrl-F and type “carnation.” But maybe there are other factors I can’t anticipate!

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      • Thank you :) I used to not really respond but then I thought about how much I appreciated it when bloggers responded to my comments. Sometimes (especially on this thread) I just let things slide as it gets a little repetitive.

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  131. I lost 37 lbs on ideal protein. My belly is trim. My cravings are gone. I fit into slim pants again. I don’t feel the need to snack. It’s been almost 2 yrs nows. The lessons learnt from the diet have put me on a sufficient diet that I can bench 75lb free weights and squat 355lbs. I shock many in the gym with my strength and not so much my size. The diet most definitely helps you with maintaining your form. Any diet requires willpower, that’s the first lesson of a dieter. You either have it or you don’t. The second is you can’t go back to eating the way you have before the diet, and third you need to educate yourself on a proper diet for maintenance, which IP does. So in short, it works. I highly recommend it. The diet was initially by a french doctor for athletes and was extended to everyone.

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    • Ketogenic Diets have been around for awhile and there is plenty of data to show that they work. That’s all IP is. A Ketogenic Diet. It is low carb, medium fat and medium to high protein. Ketogenic Diet

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  132. I just started IP 5 days ago from 310lb. I’m already down to 298 and my doctor told me based on my blood sugar to stop metformin. IP was recommended to me by my doctor who does NOT sell it himself or in his practice. I was never asked who referred me when I went in for consult so I’m pretty sure my doctor did not get any “cut” (he did not refer me to a specific coach). It was $375 for first visit, which included 2 weeks of food and the supplements. Each weigh-in on their fancy scale is free, and I am allowed to weigh in there, even if I no longer am on the program for all eternity, just no more than once a week. They highly recommended the foods to me, but my coach did give me some alternative non-IP options if I either did not like the foods or had a bad reaction to them. It was a pleasant experience and I did not feel upsold whatsoever.

    So far, not tried all the foods yet, but what I have tried has been fine and my body has taken it fine. I had a few headaches on day 2, and felt especially crummy at night on day 2, but day 4 woke up and felt fantastic and have been fantastic since (And I hope this continues). I echo others that have posted in support of IP that it’s amazing how these little packets of food fill you up like they do but they certainly do.

    With that said, I do think a very important takeaway from reading all these comments today (All the way back since 2014!) is simply this: Not every diet is for everyone. In fact, this also means that the way a registered dietitian, such as this blog author, approaches a patient might also not be the right way. I have had a nutritional dietitian in the past and found it too much of a hassle. But, everyone’s different. Some smart people excel in school environments. Other smart people suck at school.

    Yes, IP is expensive and at its core is a normal typical ketogenic diet, but you know what? Everyones time is worth money and IP is also very convenient. Meal prep and variety is very easy and simple. I find the cost simply a cost of convenience, but I do believe that the program would work if you shopped around for your own foods with similar nutritional facts. I choose to buy the IP foods simply for that convenience. Also, I believe that you can’t put a price tag on your health.

    In these 5 days, with probably 5 months to go on Phase 1 (my goal is to be 180), I have learned more about food and how the body works than ever before. I’m not going to pretend to say that the blog author is wrong, I’m sure there are some issues with IP. But what I do know is what my own body tells me now – after the first two days, I feel like I have a ton of energy, I walk more, and my weight is melting off, and I have very few cravings for sweets or junk food like the past.

    As for the “Non-GMO vs. Processed vs. Unprocessed, etc”, this is also a completely valid argument, but I would guess that any reasonable doctor would rather you be an ideal weight rather than concerning yourself with processed vs. unprocessed foods. So long as your body is accepting the diet, and everything is normal in your checkups, I’d take the weight loss any day over concerns on whether or not the food is processed or not.

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    • Agreed that no one approach will work for everyone. I’d just like to add that a good counselling dietitian will work with each client to figure out what works best for them. Of course, it’s down to the client to do the work. Best of luck with your journey!

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  133. Hey Diana,

    I wanted your opinion on something.

    I too have a serious issue with the whole “don’t exercise during the weight loss phase” advice, which goes strongly against EVERYTHING I’ve ever heard in relation to losing weight (and I’ve heard A LOT).

    My question is this. A friend of mine is doing intermittent fasting to lose fat and increase/maintain his lean muscle mass. I asked a nutritionist about this, and he suggested that I do NOT try it, as studies in women have shown serious menstrual cycle abnormalities with this cyclic eating pattern.

    But there is something that my friend does that I’m wondering would make the exercise portion ‘modifiable’ with this diet. He fasts from night-time until 11 AM the next day, but he works out in the morning. He tells me that to prepare his body with enough energy to make it through the workout (without breaking his fast) he takes something called “Branched-Chain-Amino-Acids”. Relying on my Biochemistry background, I can see how this essentially “feeds” the body enough to keep it from looking to healthy lean muscle for fuel.

    Diana, do you think something like that would make exercise doable for the first portion of the IP diet? I totally understand your issue with the diet not being sustainable if it doesn’t teach long-lasting patterns for healthy weight management, i.e. regular physical activity.

    Thanks so much!

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    • I wish that I could help you Shay. Unfortunately, I can’t provide individual nutrition advice on my blog as that would be a violation of my code of ethics and I could lose my licence.

      It sounds like you’re making every effort to make healthy choices. Intermittent fasting works for some people, it doesn’t for others. Without knowing your health status I can’t say if you would find it beneficial or not.

      If you have a primary care provider, or better yet, a dietitian you can consult with, I suggest you discuss trying this with them. They’ll be able to help you find a diet and exercise plan that’s tailored to meet your needs.

      Sorry that I can’t be of more help. Best of luck!

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  134. I went on the IP protocol as a last ditch effort to lose the few (many) pounds that had crept up over the previous 20 years (25lbs). Ended up losing 40lbs and getting skinny at age 49 for the first time in my life. Had blood work done after weight loss which came back with excellent results so much so that the life insurance who had requested the bloodwork lowered my premiums. I ended up becoming an IP coach after my weight loss and tremendously enjoy helping people changing their lives just like me. I’m not paid commission nor do I sell the products (don’t benefit from sales) I’m paid an hourly wage for coaching. I could go on about the diet and all the benefits, could also agree with some negative comments i.e. that not all the food is super delicious (shell we really start argueing about taste?), but what really ruffles my feathers is, that people here on the blog – with Diane at the start- slash a great program which she clearly knows not enough about to make resonable claims about it (and I apologize for going so far back in time – just only found this blog). I have no problem to accept someone’s opinion who knows enough about IP, but perhaps wouldn’t recommend it for certain reason and to listen to that person’s point of view. Usually there is something to be learned if we keep an open mind. But making uninformed claims can be very hurtful and counterproductive. I can only encourage every individual who is curious about IP to talk to someone who has tried the program themselves, even if they failed, just to get first hand information instead of trusting ‘blog posts’ which are for the most part ananomys and ‘true’?
    Only so much..I see many very unhappy, by their weight paralized people starting at our clinic who for the most part lose considerble amount of weight for the first time in their lives. I also meet people who have trouble following the very restrictive phase 1 and drop out before reaching their goal weight. Others lose all the weight, but are unable to keep it off. Even I, as a coach fall back sometimes and eat (knowingly) the wrong things or too much of the right foods and gain some weight. I then have to restrict my food intake for a few days to make weight adjustments (if I feel the need). But it is not the program’s fault, but absolutely my own. I’m off IP products for 1 year now, enjoy only wholesome food. So IP has nothing to do with my keeping the weight off (or not) anymore. It is all on me. And IP taught me a great deal how. On a last note…our relationship with food can be very complex and the people who struggle the most on this program (and fail) are often either not really ‘into it’ or being committed enough to follow the program OR actually need somebody better educated (than me) in terms of emotional eating, addiction, self sabotaging etc. Admittingly an area that goes beyong my expertise. Thank you Diane for keeping this blog going!

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    • And your point is? All the study seems to say is tha restricting carbs can result in weight loss. The Atkins diet does that very well.

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      • I am sharing a study that shows what ketosis which is a result of what eating low carbs can do. Ideal protein is a convenient way to do that. I’ve already commented extensively.

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      • Bear in mind that this was a very small, very short-term study. In addition, participants all had non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Thus, any results cannot be generalized to individuals without that condition.

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      • As I said, this is the same as the Atkins diet, except you get to pay a lot for advice that’s available for free. The food is so overpriced to be laughable. It’s just another profit center for Dr’s offices.

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  136. My wife and I started the program 6 weeks ago. We both had moderate amounts of weight to lose, nothing extreme. I also wanted to get off the usual BP and cholesterol meds everyone is on. Have to date lost 30 lbs and feel great. Have never had any success before this diet. It has also worked great for my wife. At my yearly physical last week my Dr just said, “what have you been doing, your lab results are excellent”. I am off all meds and have been for over a month. The diet completely changes how you view food and its effect on your body. The negative comments strike me as somewhat ignorant in knowledge. A little more info would help your cause. By the way, we are both health care professionals too and know a bit of what we speak.

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    • Congratulations! “My SO lost 60 and went off his bp and cholesterol meds. I am up to 43 pounds and still going !

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    • It’s not the short term success that’s at issue. It’s the long term sustainability. Virtually all quick weight loss diets fail in the long term, with the weight slowly gained back over time. I’ve done Atkins, which is all that IP really is. Several times – all with the same 20 to 30 lb weight loss. A year or two later, back where I started. My fault, not the diets. But why would IP end up any different? It’s great that you and your wife lost 30 lbs in 6 weeks. Some would say that a weight loss of more than 2 lbs a week is unhealthy. Let us know where your weight is on a year, maybe 18 months. Very few people actually keep the weight off once they are left to their own feeding routine.

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      • Atkins is another story and I won’t get into it but as with ANY diet it is up to you to sustain it. The maintenance phase is a sensible diet where you can eat any type of food. What they teach you is how and when to eat certain foods to keep your weight off and be healthy. No one can do that part for you and it is required on any diet! But don’t blame the protocol because you did not follow it. Yes you will gain a few pounds as you reintroduce some foods but how many is up to you. 5 pounds is the average in my group. I’ll take the 5 pounds over the 43 I lost any time any day :)

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      • Not true. Ketogenic diets are successful, it’s proven. I love all the generalities that are posted from people that can’t keep weight off. That is a choice and no diet can make that choice for you.

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  137. The proof will be if we actually change our lifestyle, this just gave us a jumpstart. Also it is better to get off excess weight if you can before starting an exercise program. It will be up to us, but most diets do fail from not changing your evil ways.

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  139. There seem to be some misconceptions in your post. There are 4 phases to the Ideal Protein diet, and the final 3 phases teach how to maintain weight AFTER the goal weight has been reached by using natural foods. If these phases aren’t’t follwed, naturally, the weight will not stay off, as in any other diet. By the way, in phase 1, you’re eating real vegetables and suppers are also completely real foods with meat and veggies.

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  140. Does the Ideal Protein diet work? Yes. Is it healthy? No. It has been proven that soy protein isolate is simply unhealthy and sucralose AKA splenda is another toxic artificial sugar. All of their products are soy isolate based for the most part so for people who have hypothyroid, soy is the worse thing to consume. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uIn2L90wA8 (Dr. Mercola does a great job explaining) Before I became a holistic health coach, I did do this diet twice and successfully lost 20 pounds each time. After finishing school, I have now become an avid label reader and unfortunately the ingredients are just not healthy. The company and coaches will advise they are perfectly fine and healthy but I certainly know that is not true. The other downside is the weight came back on both times when I went off their food. Not immediately, but within a year. I think the low calorie diet messed with my metabolism big time! I can’t recommend this diet plan.

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  141. I started the IP protocol at the end of July and I have to put in my 2 cents here; bottom line, does the program work? YES – if you stick with it. At first, I was really motivated but something kept niggling away at me – the restriction of healthy foods like fruit, carrots, squash, turnip, sugar snap peas, etc. Oh yeah, and you’re allowed unlimited lettuce yay!

    I am not a nutritionist, dietician or pharmacist but any diet that so severely restricts calories and healthy foods must be looked at more closely. I did Weight Watchers, and the points you’re allowed on IP are half of what they allow on WW. It works out to only about 800-900 calories a day. Of course you’ll lose on it, and of course, you’ll gain when you start eating normally again – even when they phase you back into eating carbs.

    Cost? It’s expensive!!! Someone mentioned that what you spend on IP food you’ll save on groceries – hogwash!! That MAY be true if you are only buying for yourself, but when you have a family of 4 to feed, you are saving nothing.

    Anyway, that’s my two cents and for those who have had success with IP, congrats! Keep going and do what works for you. Everyone is different, and what works for one person will not necessarily work for another. I have gone back to WW where I eat plenty of fruits and veggies, lean proteins, whole grains and I am losing weight according to my goals. It’s all about making better food choices, no matter what diet we choose.

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  142. I have started the ip diet and look forward to providing a t success story. I believe success will be measured over a 3 year period.
    I will also post the failure if that occurs.
    I believe that I am the type of person who needs a program. I need the rules to stop me from indulging my impulse to eat. Seems that decades of experience may have taught me one thing.
    My attraction to the diet is the idea of minimal muscle loss. My largest negative is the ketosis (Atkins) state that is required to do do this.
    In a previous life,I was well educated in nutrition and biology and do understand the arguments (good old kreb’s cycle).

    I will say that after 8 days I have had no ill effects and surprisingly after the first few days not much hunger.
    Good energy as well.

    As I am just starting I wonder if someone could tell me why exercise is restricted, not that I’m getting any, but I was thinking about it.
    I haven’t seen this in my handouts from coaching.

    Cheers
    Mike

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  143. Very Low Carb and Ketogenic diets long term are sure fire ways to screw up your metabolism. I tried IP several years ago. Of course I lost a bunch of weight fast, but I gained it back even faster. IP may be for folks who are not career dieters like I am/was. Opening up a packet of chemicals with added fake protein and mixing it with water leads to deprivation.. which leads to the boomerang effect once the diet is stopped. And it has to stop because it WAY too restrictive and FAKE. Who wants to eat fake crap with soy and chemicals that messes with your hormones????

    I truly believe that most of the positive comments are folks who were either planted, somehow gain income from it, or work for the company.. Dieters are hopeful and optimistic, but chronic dieters should realize that the reason they keep having to start a different one is because restrictive diets don’t work for 95% of the people long term!!

    The alternative health practitioner I used is top notch, and I am truly shocked that he still offers this frankenfood.

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  144. ideal protein is a great and easy way to lose those unwanted pounds.. phase 1 is all about low calorie intake, and fat burning.. AND learning what to eat. most people don’t understand how much sugar and other unwanted carbs are in our foods nowadays.

    simple rule less garbage in.. less add FAT.

    once you reached the ideal fat loss. and weight, you basically got back to a regular , better eating way of life to keep the weight you want to be at.

    i did the program , lost FAT and my weight dropped 17 pounds in 30 days.

    it was awesome, easy to use, and i was never hungry,, as my body consumes the fat

    I highly recommend to anyone.

    peter sherba

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  145. I can see your point but I disagree. I am 29 years old male and I hit my 2 month mark on the diet yesterday. I started at 271 and I am now at 223 for a loss of 48lbs. Initially yea it was water weight for a few days but 48lbs and dropping from 44 jeans to my high school 36 is phenomenal to me. I have done insanity in the past and was normally thin. I’m married and have an 18 month old boy so the convience of the packaged food along with not having to workout has been great. This diet is not intended to be for life. The low carb low calorie aspect of it to me is to catapult the dieter quickly to results which it did for me and results are what keep people invested. My goal is to get to 199lbs and start insanity. Going from this diet to the well balanced insanity diet will be like getting a triple at Wendy’s. I feel my pallet and taste buds have reset completely where a variety of healthy foods will taste amazing. As long as I steer clear of my old habits the cravings will stay non existent as they are now. As far as the food choices there is a huge variety, some aren’t that great but I found what I like and it never gets old. After all does any diet food taste as good as Taco Bell? Aside from weight loss my cholesterol went from 241 – 154 and my blood pressure is well into the healthy range. My cost for food per week has averaged between $70 – $90 and believe me it’s a lot less than the gas station pizza and eating out I did before. I will say this diet may not be for everybody but as in weight loss find what works for you and stick to it. My sister talked me into trying this and now people who see me insist I tell them where they can go to get started. If you are thinking about giving it a try go for it! Make the change you think about constantly and be the best version of you.

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  146. I have no problem with being on Ideal Protein. the whole point is to help people get into ketosis, a fat burning state and help people get the weight off. they have videos daily to go through everything you can possibly think of. they also have a plan in there “phases” to get you to maintain. i know multiple people that had a great amount to loose and have kept it off. it converts peoples thinking on eating habits and helps you gain new ones.. health ones. it does work it is ideal. and they have resources and guidance throughout your whole weight loss and maintaince journey.

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  147. i have been on IP three times and each time I gained back the weight and more. The product is good but even you follow it through all the way to maintenance you still have to buy the products to keep the weight off AND you are starving your body of the nutrition it needs to function. I would be keen to know if anyone has any advice for getting weight off for people in the mid fifty age group.

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  148. I think you need to look at Ideal Protein with new eyes and a more open mind.

    I’ve (so far) lost 70 lbs on the diet in less than 4 months. I work with the team at the clinic that’s led by an MD and he’s so supportive that I even have his personal cell number if I have questions.

    The training I get from them includes daily videos that discuss topics from dietary hints to discussions about the medical realities of the “after the weight loss” new life I’ll have.

    No it isn’t easy. If it was, we all wouldn’t be in this obesity problem. You have to commit, and realize you can’t eat like you used to.

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  149. Great thread! Personally it is about motivation. Sick of being fat. If it was an easy fix, I would be skinny! Doing IP has me off sugar, forces me to cook not do the quick junk food gran, get creative with veggies-even ones I don’t love. However I know the reality is I may get sick of eating this way and then I will put weight back on. As I have in the past doing body for life, ww, clean eating etc. I loved all the opinions and updates.

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  150. I went on IP a year ago and lost 45 pounds in 4 months. Does it work? It worked for me, but I can see how it wouldn’t work for everyone. Before IP I would eat processed foods, lots of carbs, fast food and quite a few late night pizza’s while watching tv. I never ate vegetables at all…ever!

    What I learned from IP is that if I wanted to lose weight I had to give up bad foods, plan and track what I was eating and start eating vegetables. It taught me to read labels when shopping and also to indenitfy which foods may seem healthy but have natural sugars in them which hinder weight loss. (Really? I can’t eat corn or carrots because of natural sugars?)

    Its not a perfect weight loss program and I am definitely not perfect either. During the diet I would cheat once in a while (beef jerky, pizza slice and beer here and there). I also didn’t follow their rule about avoiding physical activity as I would ride my bike to work a couple of miles.

    In the end it worked for me as I have been able to keep the weight off because it helped me change my eating habits and the amount that I eat. I feel so much better than before and I am able to pass on the bad foods alot easier now then before.

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  151. I did Ideal Protein and lost 45 lbs. I took 8 months off and am now going to lose an additional 30 lbs, Lord willing. It is not ideal in flavor and one has to find the foods that work for them but it does work. I have gone through phase 2 and 3 and kept the weight off. I upped my carbs on days I worked out. I was diabetic and today I am prediabetic. I am hoping with the additional weight loss that my blood sugar numbers will reduce further. While I am on the diet, my numbers are around 100 or less. Just being 45 lbs lighter is amazing. I am proud to have lost the weight and will hopefully, get to my goal weight of 170 before summer. I tried exercise and diet but couldn’t get the weight off. I was always active but just kept getting bigger. Definitely, was addicted to sugar. I am under a doctor’s care and would recommend you get permission before going on the diet. Best wishes to all…hope whatever plan you use, works.

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  152. Read your article. Your wrong, with your little bit of knowledge, you should not comment at all. Thank you, we are all now dumber.

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  153. You have a very well written article and based on what you know about Ideal Protein it makes perfect sense. What you may not have heard from your friends is the most important part of the Ideal Protein diet. While you are in the weight loss phase, you are resetting your metabolism, specifically the pancreas. This doesn’t happen in most diets. Most overweight people over-use their pancreas. It is always running on high because it continually has to produce insulin to help make use of the sugar. Here’s what happens: we eat sugar, pancreas releases insulin, helps body absorb sugar. Once the sugar is dealt with, there is still insulin hanging around but low blood sugar. So it’s time to eat again. Here comes more sugar! Which triggers the release of more insulin (even though there is still some leftover). This results in insulin resistance and eventually diabetes.
    So eating no or low carbs, the pancreas is not called upon nearly as often. It gets a break – a chance to repair and regenerate… and reset the baseline back to zero. It takes a full 6 weeks of ketosis to do this.
    We were not made to eat food from little silver packets. However, the little silver ideal protein packets contain easy-to-digest protein that is formulated to deliver adequate protein without extra calories. They also provide variety because, let’s face it, eating chicken, eggs and fish while avoiding all the “fun” foods gets old after a while. Once the weight loss period is complete and dieters are “phased” back to regular healthy eating, their body will no longer be running with a messed up metabolism & they will no longer be insulin resistant. Their body will contain more healthy tissue and by the time they’ve been coached through all 4 phases, they will have learned the secret to maintaining a healthy diet.

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  154. I began IP on May 28, 2017. As of today,9/7/17, this is what has changed:
    Before:
    Taking 4 Metformin extended release tabs daily for Type II diabetes,
    Taking 1 Invocana tab daily – the Metformin alone was no longer holding my blood sugar down
    Taking 1 Lisenopril for high blood pressure daily,
    Taking 1 Nexium tab daily for heartburn
    Taking 1 Allopurinol tab daily for gout
    Taking 1 Levothyroxin tab daily for low thyroid
    Weight 242 pounds

    Today:
    No Invocana (was able to D.C. after week 3 of IP) with no blood sugar rise
    No Metformin after 7 weeks (Slowly reduced dosage to zero) – blood sugar now never runs over 108 – even after eating. My A1C is right in the normal range now.
    No Allopurinol after 6 weeks and not one problem with gout – slow reduction.
    No Lisenopril -blood pressure is consistently below 120/80 (this morning 116/72). Again slow reduction and monitoring BP several times daily
    Reduced Nexium (now taking about 2 to 3 tabs each week – not 7) – I have been on Nexium since it first became available as a prescription drug.
    Still taking 1 Levothyroxin daily because this is a condition that a change in diet can’t improve
    Now I ask you how much money am I saving? Check the price of Invocana just for grins.
    Notice that I have not even talked about weight loss – only about how my health improved over the past quarter of a year.
    Did I cheat? No, not even once – not even a tiny little bit.
    Am I learning what I need to do once I am out of phase 1? Yep.
    Do I exercise? Yes, I walk most days for a mile or so – but no cardio intensive stuff or phase 1.
    So how much do I weigh? At my weigh-in yesterday I was at 194.2.

    Is the diet sustainable? Still on phase 1 – but phase 1 has been.
    Looking forward to phase 4 but not in a big rush.

    Diana:
    My question for you is this – how can you simply make a generalized pronouncement that IP is not sustainable when you have done no longitudinal studies to make that claim?
    Do you know the failure rate of IP participants? Methinks not.
    For that matter what is the failure rate of your clients?
    Do you have any factual basis for your claims that IP doesn’t work? Methinks not.
    (As far as I can tell no diet is “sustainable” if the maintenance protocol is not followed – including the approach you advocate. )
    Do you have hard data demonstrating a direct comparison between IP and the approach that you advocate? Methinks not.
    You seem to be making assumptions and pronouncements based on preconceived notions and a bias that says that only people who take your approach will really keep the weight off.

    But show me the hard data. And if you don’t have it, then you are simply emoting balder and dash.

    So I will close with a soft quote and a hard quote.

    “Whereof one can not speak, one should remain silent”
    Wittgenstein

    “It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt”. – unknown

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    • Glad to hear that you are having success with your goals. To answer your questions: 1. We know that the vast majority of diets are unsustainable. Particularly highly restrictive ones, such as IP. There is no need for a separate longitudinal study of each specific diet to prove this. Conversely, the burden of proof is not on me to prove that IP is unsustainable, it is on researchers to prove that it is (and that it results in health benefits). There is no sound evidence of this either to my knowledge. 2. I do not know the “failure rate” for IP participants. I do know that diets fail people more often than not which is why I don’t support any weight loss diet plans. 3. I don’t have clients in that sense in my line of work so that is not relevant. 4. You are correct in saying that no diet is sustainable. Exactly what I am saying. The approach I advocate is not a diet, there is no maintenance protocol. 5. No, I do not have hard evidence (see points 1 and 2). 6. No. I am saying that generally diets don’t work and that programs like IP are taking advantage of people and selling them many unnecessary products. My approach is that there is no “one way” to weight management. I am not competing with IP. I have no skin in this game. This is not me versus IP. 7. I find your use of these quotes rather ironic.

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